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[–] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Is bad bunny not white? I thought Puerto Rico was colonized by the spanish wiping out the majority of the native population and he looks pretty spanish. I guess this is one of those "the Irish aren't white" situations.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"White" doesn't actually mean anything real. Italians and Irish weren't considered "white" until relatively recently.

[–] end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Irish are some of the most fair complexioned duckers I've ever seen excluding a Finn and an albino.

Are you sure racists aren't just suffering from crippling cognitive disability?

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The reason for this is that race is a made-up concept.

Race is a pure "us-vs-them" term. That's why the term "race" was roughly equivalent to "nationality" in most European languages before the term fell out of use after WW2.

If you read texts from 1920s Europe, they frequently talk about the "French race", the "German race" or the "English race". When the Nazis talked about the "uber race", they didn't mean white people, but instead meant German people. They saw the French, the English and so on as inferior races. (Which makes the concept of neonazis from other countries than Germany quite absurd.)

In the USA, there weren't enough people of one nationality to dominate the area, so they had to band together and create a "shared white identity", so their us-vs-them became roughly equivalent to the continent of origin.


Since "race" doesn't have any actual definition apart from us-vs-them, it can be adapted to whatever makes sense right now.

A "white person" can be someone who looks vaguely white. It could be someone where the majority of their ancestors come from a certain part of the world (e.g., excluding Ireland, Eastern Europe, North Africa, ... even though they might look indistinguishable from people from e.g. Western Europe). It could be someone where every single one of their ancestors come from a certain part of the world. It could even be just people of a certain socio-economic group. You could even define that "true whiteness" requires a certain political affiliation.


Side note: while the term "race" fell out of use in most of Europe after WW2 and is now being reimported from the US with US meaning, the same is not true for the word "racism" that stayed in use in most European languages and is stilm used with the old European definition.

So to someone from the US, a French man hating all Brits is not a racist, but to someone from Europe, he is a racist.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If you read texts from 1920s Europe, they frequently talk about the “French race”, the “German race” or the “English race”. When the Nazis talked about the “uber race”, they didn’t mean white people, but instead meant German people. They saw the French, the English and so on as inferior races. (Which makes the concept of neonazis from other countries than Germany quite absurd.)

Downton Abbey has at least one instance of this, referring to the "German race" just slightly post WW2. It caught me off guard but now makes sense in light of your comment.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh, not really. Puerto Ricans are mostly pretty squarely in the Latino category. There's an entire play and movie about this called West Side Story.

[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

But look at him, he's whiter than Trump!

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

most Puerto Ricans are tri-racial with their genetic makeup skewing towards towards African. the three groups that led us to now are the indigenous Taino who were enslaved by Christopher Columbus, enslaved Africans, and as you mentioned the Spanish. i don't know a single boricua who identifies as white. i'm sure they're out there, but they're just not who i'm knowing. but either way, white supremacy guages whiteness by proximity to power within a color coded society. so like… even if Bad Bunny were 100 of spanish descent it'd be as you say, similar to how the Irish, Italians, Romani, Jews, and Ukrainians aren't white under the framework of american white supremacy.

it's also important to know that white supremacy isn't a uniquely western European or so called united states thing. the all time promoting white supremacy champs are:

  • the so called united states
  • great Britain
  • Germany
  • Italy
  • Russia
  • Israel
  • China
  • Japan
[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

China promotes White Supremacy?

As someone who has lived in Puerto Rico, and whose mom was born and raised there of immigrants from Mandatory Iraq during WW2, I'd say about 20-30% of people in Puerto Rico consider themselves white.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The CCP promotes Han supremacy; it's literally encoded in the Chinese constitution that the leader has to be a Han and the deputy has to be of other ethnicities. I learned about that while debating with a supremacist to justify their ideology and the slogan "[insert race/ethnicity/nationality] for [insert any given place]". That is why lot of white supremacists look to Japan and China, to a certain extent, about keeping "homogeneous" and "native". But white supremacists conveniently ignore that China is ethnically and linguistically diverse even with 90% Han population making up the Chinese demographic, and the Japanese came to Japan later, with Ainus being there first.

What supremacists really mean to say is that "might makes right. We may have actually come later to the land, but we displaced the original settlers by force. We ain't gonna let others do the same to us." I'm kinda glad I am born South East Asian, there is relative harmony among different groups.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Can you actually quote their constitution for me, in Chinese from the direct source please? I don't believe you.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

It's been a long time and I can't find the source now, although I distinctly remember reading the part of the constitution while debating with the said supremacist. I admit, either it may have been the party's constitution or China's constitution itself.

[–] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

White supremacy probably not but racial supremacy is 100% true.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago

the Han demographic exist in proximity to power in a color coded society

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv80cchq

here's a scholarly book examining how Han-centric views and narratives shape China's government

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is literally US government propaganda. The US government and its agents are not reputable or trustworthy and have material interest in lying about China to further their economic position and military industrial sales. I am not American and I have no reason to trust that Americans are neutral or doing good academics research.

[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China is 70% or more Han, you can imagine they have a similar issue with their ethnic minorities but far more direct and unhidden.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your assertion isn't evidence

[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Start by familiarizing yourself with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China

The Uyghur genocide is widely reported on.
Also I did make a mistake China is 90% Han.

There is no freedom of press within China so you'll not see nearly as detailed coverage with official numbers as you will with other countries.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

They're not rich enough to count as white, apparently.