Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
Feddit.org's explanation for this situation seems to fit into a few common variations:
- They accept both pro- and anti-Zionist members, so it's not proof of a bias.
- They [choose to] comply [in advance] with strict German / Swiss / Austrian laws regarding [overly broad] "antisemitic" language, or they might get in trouble.
- Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu's genocidal fascist regime. Because [bad faith] reasons.
- Lots of Euros (and Germans specifically) are pro-Zionist, so they feel like they have to accommodate this view.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. As such, I am calling for feddit.org to:
- Explicitly prohibit pro-Zionist accounts from joining.
- Take measures to resolve their claimed legal issues, e.g., moving their server location to a less regulated jurisdiction, and ensuring that admin accounts remain anonymous regarding their location.
- Stop referring to folks who call for "Death to Israel" or similar as though they are the terrorists or violent extremists. The Zionist Israeli settlers, the murderous IDF rapists, and the entirety of the Israeli government are clearly the violent ethnostate extremists we should be worried about, not the Palestinians in Gaza who are fighting for their lives every single day against completely disproportionate levels of Zionist violence.
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again.
I've also pulled out some choice morsels from the modlog to illustrate the sort of thing we are talking about:
This one says it all... mrdown@lemmy.world being banned for calling out feddit.org users for being Zionist apologists. It's apparently "xenophobic" to state a few hard truths.
If you have had similar experiences on feddit.org, please feel free to share in the comments.
Voting instructions
I am proposing to ban the following communities from feddit.org, which seem to be the most problematic communities in terms of hosting pro-Zionist posts/comments:
- https://feddit.org/c/YUROP
- https://feddit.org/c/europe
- https://feddit.org/c/buyfromeu
- https://feddit.org/c/europa
- https://feddit.org/c/dach
- https://feddit.org/c/deutschland
- https://feddit.org/c/germany
Upvote this post if you want dbzer0 / anarchist nexus to ban these communities.
Downvote this post if you'd prefer not to ban these communities.
Note 1: Votes from external instances do not count, unless one of our admins has vouched for you.
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that's the better option, then we'll do that instead.
Note 3: Although I don't really expect this to happen, if feddit.org agrees to make policy changes to address these issues then we are willing to reassess the situation.
Passing Zionism and Israel as representing the Jewish People is the most anti-semitic thing there is because the actions of that ideology and that nation are some of the most depraved imaginable: portraying Zionism and Isreal as representing the Jewish People is the logical equivalent of claiming that the commiting of Genocide (including explicitly targetting children) and even participating in the running of a pedophile ring (the Epstein one, which Mossad supported) are "Jewish things".
Meanwhile there are the more traditional kinds of anti-semitism which do not taint all Jewish people by conflating them as a group with depraved ideologies and nations and instead just directly slander Jewish People for being Jewish.
And this bring us to your post: you're saying that we should overlook the actions of the first kind of anti-semite, by claiming that in us doing otherwise would weaken efforts against the second kind of anti-semite.
Your claim is the very opposite of logic: it is the first kind of anti-semite who are strengthening the messaging of the second kind (for example, under the [IMHO false] axiom that Israel is the same as The Jewish People, then the Mossad's involvement in the Epstein child-sex ring leads to the mathematically logical conclusion that Jews are pedophiles or at least supporters of pedophilia) because the second kind can leverage the depraved Israeli and Zionist actions and the link to the Jewish People claimed by the first kind to slander all Jews.
Because of this connection between these two kinds of anti-semites, in reality those fighting the former kind of anti-semite weaken the second whilst those protecting the former strengthen the latter.
And this brings us to feddit.org being filled to the brim with the first kind of anti-semite and activelly protecting them from criticism.
No, i'm not saying that. I described what I saw and what I roughly concluded. What you're ascribing to me is far beyond my current considerations.
So why did you feel the need to talk about the latter kind of anti-semitism in a discussion about the former?
As I pointed out, by fighting the former we are in fact weakening the latter by denying them the empowering of their "arguments" that they get from the former kind of anti-semitism, so if you worry about the latter kind of anti-semitism, it was being indirectly addressed by the demands being made by the OP.
Surely it would've made more sense for you to support what the OP is trying to do rather than go "whatabout".
THANK YOU!! we have to call hate where we see it as it is. failure to do so only lets it fester and spread, making the world worse for everyone. bigotry of any kind is a threat to everyone, including people who think themselves safe from the bigotry they don't see. we have to recognize not only that zionism is antisemitic, but that antisemitism masquerading as antizionism is zionist.
to reiterate something i said elsewhere, the fediverse at large is in a good place and is self governing well. but that doesn't mean racial hate isn't on the rise in our self managed spaces. we must continue to work to encourage tolerance, and part of that is telling bigots they're not welcome.
zionism is bigotry. it is not just harmful to palestinians, it is harmful to everyone, including the people who mistakenly think it's a form of anti-bigotry
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/
But it is most Israeli Jews. 80% want full expulsion, 50% want complete genocide.
yes, Zionists. not all Jews are "Israeli", not all Jews are Zionists, but most "Israelis" are Zionists, and almost all Zionists are Jews or Christians (mostly Christians!).
Zionism ≠ Judaism
yeah, SStateSSians do be like that. and 82% of Evangelicals are also Zionists, which is nearly thrice the global population of Jewish people.
convenient that there are little to no numbers outside of either the US or "Israel" breaking down support for "Israel". you're also citing a Zionist source.
~~citation fucking needed~~. oh i see, you misread the part where i said most Zionists are Christians.