MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether it be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users, as it handwaves their extremism.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post, rather than engaging in arguments that lack mutual agreement.
Brigading/Trolling — If you're here because this community was linked in another thread, please refrain from maliciously voting, commenting, or manipulating the post in any way. This includes alt accounts. All votes are public, and if you are found to be brigading, you will be banned. Good-faith and honest communication is an exception.
Tankies can explain their views, but may be criticised or challenged for them. Any minor infraction of the rules may result in a warning and possibly a temporary ban.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically last only 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction doubles the duration. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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Absolutely. This isn't it. Can you not answer a question?
This thread isn't that, no. But there are examples across this community of such content
Which brings me back to my questions:
Is it okay to call other users fascist bootlickers without evidence that they're engaging in fascist or bootlicking behavior?
And
If upvotes represent the vibe of a community, why not have a rule to post the most upvoted comments to represent them more accurately?
And
Do these instances engage in bad behavior moreso than other instances on the fediverse?
No, I don't think so.
Too ugly to add to the rules and annoying to go through. There's also an important distinction: Tankie instances don't allow downvotes, which is why I note the vote count. If it were on world or any other instance that allows downvotes, I wouldn't make that argument.
Yes
So maybe mod posts that attack other users?
You're a mod, making and enforcing rules to protect a broader community should be the bare minimum. Which instances don't allow downvotes? I have downvoted .ml content on my .ml account and this one, and you can definitely see those downvotes. Sounds like you made that up.
Either use the upvotes as a metric or admit the screenshots don't represent the broader community. You're waffling back and forth on this one.
Hard disagree. You made an echo chamber for all your bad faith arguments.
Why should I stop users from attacking others? Tankies do it all the time in their spaces, but you're not advocating for them to stop, you're in no position to call me bad faith until you do.
Hexbear. If you don't know what instance is what, you shouldn't be arguing any of this.
This isn't an echo chamber either, Tankies are even given special privileges that other users don't get. You can even check modlog to verify this.
Tell you what: if you're honest and in good faith, go make an account, post in Hexbear's /c/slop, and tell them to stop making fun of people and using blanket statements.
I didn't tell you to stop users from attacking each other, I said you should moderate your community to prevent unfounded insults and brigading. The people in the screenshot didn't do anything wrong.
I do tell users to stop attacking others, often, especially in the communities I made.
Hexbear is just one instance. And... weird? I've downvoted and seen downvotes on hexbear communities I engage in. As far as I know, you should be able to see them, too, if your instance allows downvotes. So, yes, I do know what I'm talking about. Do you?
But, come on. This is circular logic and you know it. You first argued that seventeen upvotes was indicative of a community's values, didn't agree that the most upvoted comments in a thread would better represent a community, and continue to say your community represents "tankie behavior."
Now you're telling me to check the modlog for some ambiguous priviledge? How exactly do I... check their priviledge?
Also you're a hypocrite:
What. Lol, why?
edit: How is that any different from what I'm saying here?
Your comprehension is low, and I can't be bothered explaining things to you.
Tell you what: if you’re honest and in good faith, go make an account, post in Hexbear’s /c/slop, and tell them to stop making fun of people and using blanket statements.
I don't need to do any of those things to argue in good faith. That wouldn't prove or disprove anything I've said, and if so, I'd like to know how.
Furthermore, we're talking about this post and this thread. Why do you keep changing the subject and putting the onus on me?
If he doesn't change the topic to something else, he doesn't have an answer for you. This is his echo chamber, this is his space to make up rules of how you can't question his actions without his possee grouping up like Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
Hello hatorade. Why'd you make a new account after I temporarily banned your previous one? It was a temp ban, and your hatorade account was almost a year old.
I wouldn't expect anyone who runs a community like this to be a healthy, balanced individual in the first place. I've said my piece and now I plan to move on.
I should as well.
You've spent the past four days talking about me. I don't think you know what a healthy, balanced individual is.
You mean I spent about a minute, total, responding to this fine user — because I'm polite. Now you're jumping in after I said I was moving on.
Sounds like you're a little miffed.
no, both of you have been circlejerking about me for the past few days.
Um, no? You're not that important, my friend.
both of your post histories are public
Yes, I know. Why don't you point out where I circle-jerked? I think you're not linking to my comments directly because two users engaged me on a comment unrelated to you, and I was dismissive.
My apologies, I got you mixed up with someone else
All good. You have a good weekend.