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Not only that but a convicted felon, rapist, who was polling at historically low levels going into election day.
Trump was not a hard to beat opponent.
My idea is that they rigged the election, every accusation is ...
Its not necessary to engage this.
We have all the credible evidence we need to demonstrate that Harris ran a losing campaign.
at most, maybe a handful of counties were rigged slightly in favor of trump and even then probably not enough to throw the election.
all the dems have to do to win any election in the country right now is run actual people instead of bred-to-be-leaders reading off scripts, simple as
No you absolutely don't.
Riveting rebuttal. Truly rigorous.
You wanna hear something really depressing?
Every female presidential candidate in the entire history of the country has lost to the same convicted felon and rapist and accused pedophile.
And he's filed for bankruptcy multiple times....
So people thought it would be best to leave him in charge of the county...twice...
Because if you can run a business, you can run a country...
And the first time he nearly killed us all in a pandemic...
And this time he might kill us all...
....it's totally fine
The only company he's ever made money doing, was The Apprentice. He wasn't in charge of that, he just did what the script said to do. All his other businesses declared bankruptcy. 6 of them were casinos.
Y'all keep saying that and he keeps winning. Maybe, just maybe, Trump is what America wants.
Biden was the worst candidate in polls against Trump. Harris was the second worst. In polls Trump was shown beating both. However, "unnamed democrat" wiped the floor with Trump. They could have run nearly anyone else... But the DNC decided not to let the voters chose who to vote for.
Lol y'all just refuse to address the shit in the room
Yes it's us refusing to accept things.
It is, tho.
Yes it is.
This is not the first election; the US has been putting lunatics in for years with turnouts of barely 60%.
Who else is to blame?
Okay. Show me the evidence in that case. Show me the polls that had Trump with high approval ratings. Refute that case that another democrat that was actually chosen by voters would have lost. You can't because that's not what the evidence shows.
Don’t move goalposts. You can clearly read what I wrote; that they’ve been electing lunatics for years and that their turnouts to elections are barely 60%.
Again stop adding shit because you can’t handle the fact that the responsibility for this lies at the feet of US voters.
Redundant, because they’re your pull ins.
Just do the right, easiest thing instead of fucking whining. That was voting. Now, it’s peaceful shutdown.
Move the goal posts? Mother fucker were saying he was wildly unpopular and the shutlib class insisted we run one of either two of the only Democrats s incapable of beating him.
You the one saying otherwise you dumb mfer, so you gotta put up or shut up.
If you gonna spout shit off then not back it up, just take a step back and don't spout. I'm not the shutlib defending dogshit Democrats.
You come to a politics forum, disagree with some one on a political matter, then get pissed when people ask for the receipts?
Two points worth restating: Trump wasn't not a popular candidate in 2024.
That can be backed up with an enormous amount of evidence.
Second point: The only candidates less popular with voters were Biden, and then Harris.
That's the two points being made. You can disagree with them but then the onus is on you to show why it's not the case.
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I think his interns have to address it when he shits in the room.
Keep keeping your head in the sand regarding Democrats then.
2024 wasn't Trumps success: It was Democrats failure.
Understand the difference.
Perhaps it's both? Democrats certainly failed to get fence sitters to vote, but lots of people actively chose (and are still choosing) Trump. Look at the young male Black and Latino demographics. They didn't just sit out a Democrat vote, they actively chose Trump. The Dems may be reasonably accused of failing to activate the leftist voters who sat it out/voted third party, but Trump is STILL sitting at 35%+ approval. Americans DID choose Trump. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the cause. They love ICE abducting people. They love tariffs. They love him attempting to bully Canada, Mexico and Europe.
It's easy to lose sight of this on Lemmy which is pretty far left of the current Overton window, but enough normies actively support what's going on. It may be a minority of Americans, but between MAGA core and undecideds, it's very foolish to say America did not choose Trump actively. The leftist no vote/undecided demographic the Dems lost was far smaller than the MAGA and MAGA curious.
People aren't that simple.
Some are. But not 35%.
When people look at their life and the world they're in and see it's all fucked, they want somone to do something about it. Trump points to immigrants, saying it's their fault everything's fucked, and he'll do whatever it takesto fix it. While Harris and the Democrats say most things are fine. In a crisis, people will vote for anyone who promises to do something, when there's nobody else offering a counter proposal.
If the Democrats had a decent candidate who was willing acknowledge how bad things are, and to truly talk about how to fix things for the average person. It would be stunning how small Trumps polling would get.
I'm not going to say Biden was perfect, but many of the "investments" Trump is using as proof of victory came as a direct result of Biden policies like the inflation reduction act, chips act, etc. He inherited inflation directly as a result of Trump abandoning "project lightspeed" and choosing to let COVID run wild, which triggered free money which triggered severe inflation, which is why people were pissed off. By 2024, prices were still elevated but inflation itself was under control. Kamala ran on "we beat inflation, and its all uphill from here" (they did, and their policies are continuing to benefit Americans), and Trump ran on "I'll reduce prices to what they were pre-COVID" (deflation is usually bad). Lina Khan was actually pursuing antitrust suits for the first time in this millennium, and the department of labor was generally siding with unions. I think the reality is that Democratic party PR is absolute shit. The main pressure of inflation was under control late in Biden admin, and Trump sold the voterbase a myth with directly lower prices.
I get what you're saying about people being desperate, but the reality is that real wage growth was higher under Biden than Trump 1 and they chose Trump 2 anyways.
Real wage growth was still negligible under Biden.
People don't notice low single diget percentage changes.
But that's not even important. Biden, Harris, the Democrats generally, were shit at selling to the public all the good things he did. They couldn't point their finger at a real problem and explain how they'd solve it, because the real problem is their donors.
The best thing he did was appoint Lina Khan. And Harris was dogged by the donor class during the campaign to get rid of her. That's the problem.
I agree with most of that but not all. People don't notice single digit, but it's still meaningful when you're talking real wage growth. Wages grew faster than inflation, even if only by single-digit. The reality was overruled by the fact that post COVID inflation had raised prices. The Democrat plan was to maintain positive, compounding real wage growth.
Biden identified falling industrial output and employment and enacted subsidies via CHIPS etc al which resulted in real shovels in real dirt building semiconductor plants in upstate NY, new construction of wind and solar plants, etc. Biden identified high pharmaceutical prices and enacted the first ever group negotiated purchasing rates for 10 drugs with more on the way for his 2nd term. Anticompetitive practices, Lina Khan. Crimes against the state, Jack Smith. Historically low violent crime rates, a successful opioid addiction policy seeing massively falling OD rates...
He and Kamala had two practical failures in Merrick Garland and Palestinian policy. The rest was an optical nightmare, and I'm not sure where the failure was but I'm not sure it was with "the donors". Kamala spent a shitload more money than Trump and somehow all anyone ever heard was "Killer Kamala" and "but she laughs weird". Whatever caused that, I think is the ultimate failure of the party.
Whatever you have to tell yourself
Its called living in a fact based reality. Try it some time.
Sure
Excusing and apologizing for Democrats is why we're in fascism. Excusing Democrats for their persistent failure isn't adjacent to why we're here, its the central mechanism. When you do these apologetics, this mental gymnastics of excusing Democrats and their approach to politics as only acceptable way to pursue power, and yet are also permanently victims and utterly incapable of winning elections and never responsible for the obvious outcomes easily, and consistently predicted from their actions; When doing these apologetics, you are paving the way for fascism.
We would have never ended up here without the apologists setting the table for fascism.
F the corporate Dems and their "pragmatism". Mamdani showed everyone what the people want. Dems fought him every step of the way
No
Democrats, as a party, handed this country to fascism on a silver platter.
You, the apologist, tidied up the room for Democrats and let them know it was ok by you for them to do what they were doing. That they didn't need to resist fascism, you'd support them anyways. They didn't need to pursue black and brown voters, those voters owed Democrats their vote and didn't have another option: they still had your vote. That Palestinians don't really matter as a people and that the money AIPAC has to offer should be enough to compensate, and you would continue dontating. That for every blue collar worker they lose they'll gain two white collar workers in the suburbs. Excusing the Democrats excuses fascism: Its why were here and its what you're doing.
No
Riveting defense.
I'm sure you'll be certain to bring HEAPS of voters back into the fold by blaming them for accurately assessing that Democrats had squandered the political capitol they empowered them with in 2020.
No
Every time you say no, another neoliberal get an APAIC donation.
Well that sucks
You should stop carrying water then.