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Thread update: Prigozhin's fucking dead.

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The BRICS summit will begin on Tuesday and end on Thursday, with various world leaders, politicians, and representatives meeting in Johannesburg, South Africa.

America's anxiety about the summit has been obvious. They have been complicating the event by pushing for the arrest warrant for Putin to be upheld if he steps foot in the country. While this is a remarkably dangerous and unhinged thing to do - even by America's standards - to the leader of a nuclear superpower who could end the world within an hour, it does betray their desperation. Unfortunately, for those of us who wanted to see Putin surrounded by an army of security guards fending off people holding handcuffs, he has sent his Foreign Minister, Lavrov, in his place. Additionally, America has likely been spreading rumors about the lack of interest in gaining new members in the organization.

With apparently 20 countries formally seeking membership and another 20 informally doing so, the bloc has been elevated, whether they like it or not, to the position of the international vanguard of the non-western world. It is extremely important to say that this is not the same as it becoming an anti-American bloc, and many of them (including original members Brazil and India) wish to keep a friendly relationship with the United States. Nonetheless, with the United States' policy of "if you are not with us, you are against us," and as the US seeks to weaken China, in coming years many of them might find themselves under hostile pressure.

BRICS has to try and solve many problems if they are going to chip away at America's stranglehold of the world economy. These problems - like mitigating the dollar's status as a global reserve currency, and America's dominant role in the world economy - are extremely complicated, and will takes years, even decades, to be overcome. Therefore, one should temper their expectations and excitement for this summit. It took tens of millions of deaths in cataclysmic wars, and then several more decades, for America to reach its current position. I see no reason to believe why its downfall will be any less bloody and elongated.

To end on a less depressing note, I've been searching for appropriate anagrams given the list of countries that seek to join BRICS. Obviously not all of them will make it in, but even so. The best I've come up with is HIBISCUS EMANCIPATES BBBBKKRVV.

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Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

This week's first update is here in the comments.

This week's second update is here in the comments.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Final comment on the sad news of Luna-25 copied from Russian telegram (call it cope if you want) while we wait for the Indians to land:

Come on... Having gone through five stages of acceptance, in addition to what was said above, I want to say that we simply overestimated expectations and naturally did not justify them.

Not only was it our first attempt in 50 years to break through to the moon, but also immediately to the south pole. It's like starting to play the game right away on the most difficult mode, and wonder why everyone has you there.

We are also talking about the restoration of the industry as a whole, and such competence as interplanetary flights (yes, I know that the Moon is not a planet).

The fact that she would successfully land on the moon would be just a very tasty addition to the work done on earth.

For those who are worried about the loss of primacy to the Indians, there is no way Chandrayan will be able to go to 1959 and get ahead of Luna-2. Yes, and space we have in common after all ...

In addition, in two years the most epic and eventful decade in the history of Russian cosmonautics will begin. Not the time of the first, of course, but the scope is amazing.

  • 2025 - Launch of a new generation of manned spacecraft Orel, with a parachute-jet landing, Soyuz-5 with the most powerful engine in operation (if I'm not confused of course).
  • In 2027, we are waiting for the second attempt to explore the Moon with Luna-26 and the beginning of the launch into orbit of the ROS - the first and only station in polar orbit.
  • This, in turn, will mark the beginning of the operation of the Orel (and the gradual transition to it from the Soyuz) and complete independence in manned space exploration (I am not against Kazakhstan, but still it is also necessary to be able to launch from its territory).
  • Somewhere in this interval until the 2030s, flybys of the Moon on Orel should already begin. And in the 30s themselves, only more.
  • The first Russians on the Moon, the Russian-Chinese international lunar base, an agreement on which was signed back in 2021.

Just think. All this within 10 (mb 15) years. Every two years, a significant event will take place.

I really think this plan is more realistic if you can bring socialism back somehow.

[–] MultigrainCerealista@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Roscomos still did better than SpaceX.

[–] daisy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

How did Roscosmos do better? In fitting a booster wrong for the Soyuz MS-10 flight in 2018 leading to the first crew vehicle launch abort by anyone in 35 years? The construction fuckup of MS-09 prior to the 2018 flight that lead to an air leak that they tried to blame on a US female astronaut as feminine hysteria? The construction fuckup of MS-22 prior to the 2022 flight that lead to a propellant leak? The Nauka docking incident in 2021 that lead to the entire International Space Station going into an uncontrolled tumble and was only stopped when Nauka ran out of fuel and they could use other thrusters to stop the spin?

Look, I get it. SpaceX's majority owner is the most colossal of shitheads. The work culture he insists upon does burn people out quickly. But the people doing the actual work at SpaceX are very competent. They've never had on-orbit leak incidents. They've never had a crew safety incident. The only in-flight abort they ever did was a test to see if they could do it safely (spoiler alert: they could). And they've never sent the ISS spinning uncontrollably, or had any other sort of docking incident. Their only Falcon 9 launch failure was with a version 2 booster launching an uncrewed cargo flight, and they're now on version 5 of that booster. That launch failure was 229 launches ago. That's not a typo: 229 flawless flights in a row. And most of those flights have been with re-used boosters. The only technical problem they've had in all that time with a crew or cargo flight was a problematic primary toilet on the Inspiration 4 mission.

Let's let our criticisms be based on facts.

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They've never had a crew safety incident.

To be fair, Roscosmos has done what, a hundred crewed missions since the breakup of the USSR. Has SpaceX even made it to ten yet?

I wouldn't be too impressed with the launch statistics either because at least half of them are just dumping starlink satellites into LEO to financially sustain SpaceX.

You can compare that to success rate of the Long March rockets:

Rockets from the Long March family have accumulated a total of 484 launches as of 20 August 2023. Of these, 466 were successful, 10 were failures, and 8 were partial failures. The cumulative success rate is 96.3%.

which from memory covers ~10 rockets with various engines and propellants

[–] daisy@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If we're comparing crew vehicle launch rates, SpaceX has had 10 launches of Crew Dragon carrying actual people on board since their very first in August 2020, or 3 1/3 per year.

For an apples-to-apples comparison in that same time frame, Soyuz crew vehicles have launched 6 times. If we're generous we could call it 6 1/2 launches in the same time frame, since there was a launch in April 2020 and the next one was October 2020. That's a launch rate of about 2 1/6 per year. SpaceX has a crew launch rate about 50% higher.

And not only did one of those Soyuz vehicles during that post-August 2020 time frame have that coolant leak (my memory was wrong in my earlier comment, it was coolant and not propellant leaking during the MS-22 mission), but the uncrewed Soyuz-derived Progress cargo ship MS-21 that was built about the same time and at the same facilities by the same technicians had the exact same coolant leak problem. That's not a design flaw, because that basic design has been in use on Soyuz variants for half a century. That has to be negligence during construction. Either negligence in testing components prior to construction, or negligence testing the integrated system after construction. Either way it's negligence, and Roscosmos' Q&A controls didn't catch either problem.

I wouldn't be too impressed with the launch statistics either because at least half of them are just dumping starlink satellites into LEO to financially sustain SpaceX.

A successful launch is a successful launch. I thought you wanted to compare launch rates?

Look, I know it's frustrating to give the slightest shred of credit to any project that has even the slightest connection to twitter's current asshole-in-chief. I really do sympathize. The world would be a much better place if he was simply not around anymore to influence it. But if we ignore these facts for ideology reasons, then we're no better than the liberals who throw ideological tantrums when we try to make them face uncomfortable facts on political, historical, and economic matters.

I do give credit to the Chinese space agency though. They're also using Soyuz vehicle and Salyut station module derivatives, but improving on them in terms of both reliability and capability. Using a Salyut derivative instead of a Soyuz derivative for uncrewed cargo flights is just chefs-kiss, those can carry huge amounts of cargo. And if they've had any Q&A problems they keep those problems a tight secret. I would bet on them not having substantial issues though, they're known for professionalism in Q&A. I'm glad that they're finally transitioning away from dropping toxic hypergolic rocket stages from their inland launch sites and moving to cryogenic rockets to be launched from the coastal Wenchang facility.

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I typed out a long reply and accidentally hit cancel lol

In essence

  • both state directed and in capitalist states so no ideology
  • value of long duration is evident with Roscosmos dropping the ball lately
  • we may have different thresholds for giving credit
  • difficult to compare when at different levels of achievement (e.g. SpaceX has not had the opportunity to mangle an ISS module)
  • gap closing with SpaceX's delivery of a moon lander later this year/next year
  • agree on China
  • shame new cold war and capitalism has killed a lot of international cooperation and investment in space science
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