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[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

No one disputes that this could be a transcendence issue, but China's continuous blocking any efforts that are not controlled by them makes any investigation suspect. The Chinese should have already hosted an investigation. This will have been presented to the initial who investigation. Any further investigations will have zero credibility.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Any attempt to force China to accept inspectors from the Euro-centric world already has zero credibility given the number of times the Euro-centric world has used this exact ruse as a pretext for espionage and war propaganda

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are not supposed to be military establishments in the area. There were European scientist in the Wuhan facility before covid was active. This adds to the conspiracy theories. It may very well be that the origins came from the caves, but China does not help anyone in dissuading the narrative.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China is under no obligation to dissuade the Euro-centric world from a conspiracy theory narrative, and it has been moving itself into that posture for some time now. The US and Europe have been rattling sabres for years now, and that's well after a full century of humiliating China. If the West wants China to respond to their spurious conspiracy claims, they're going to have make a lot more effort to show good faith. As it stands now, if I were Chinese, I wouldn't trust the West within 100 miles of China.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

China is under no obligation to dissuade the Euro-centric world from a conspiracy theory narrative

We have just had a world pandemic. Common sense states that we should be looking into that.

after a full century of humiliating China.

Humiliating China in what way?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 years ago (57 children)

Humiliating China in what way?

If this is a good faith question, I highly recommend looking into modern Chinese history, starting with the 1800s. Europe brought China to its knees. Massive EuroAmerican fortunes were amassed through getting 40% of Chinese people addicted to opium, Forbes among them. The Chinese attempt to protect their people by outlawing opium was met with orientalism by the merchants who convinced the British navy to attack China and force it to allow the drug trade. The Opium Wars is how Britain ended up occupying Hong Kong and how Europeans were immune to Chinese law in all the major port cities.

When the PLA joined with the KMT to fight off the Japanese, the KMT then turned on the PLA and massacred as many as they could. The PLA eventually won the hearts and minds of the Chinese people and through a people's war and through conversion of thousands of KMT soldiers to the PLA defeated the KMT who ran away to Taiwan. The British then stepped in and prevented the PLA from continuing to pursue the KMT because the British wanted the KMT to be their puppet regime. And that's how Taiwan got into the mess it's in.

The West spent a century dominating China, eventually even imposing tarrifs on behalf of China on goods that passsed through China, but all the tarrifs were collected by the Europeans! China finally stood up in 1949, but it has not finished pushing European influence out of its region. So the idea that the WHO should be trusted to be impartial when literally everything the West has done is weaponized against its enemies is laughable.

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[–] st0v@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago

it's a thing and kind of rough

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation

Common sense would dictate that we look into the cause of the pandemic. But I totally get the fear of the pointless propaganda war that would have probably come out of it.

It's beyond belief at this point how much the western press will bend any story about China into China bad.

[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

goddamnit is this what we get for federating with libs? Unironic lab leak theory? Truly bleak

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

They think conspiracy theories are just something Qanon does

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Unironic lab leak theory

This, except the lab in question is Fort Detrick.

[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I guarantee that you would be cooking up these conspiracy theories regardless of any investigations that China had allowed. They could have shipped every citizen of Wuhan straight to your house so you could personally interview them and it still wouldn't be enough.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The Chinese should have already hosted an investigation.

That wording totally doesn't sound racist.

Something happens in Kenya

The Blacks should have already hosted an investigation. us-foreign-policy

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