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Liberals and communists hate each other, that's pretty much it
ML users aren't really communists though - they are leftist MAGAs who believe in alternative facts, only paying lip service to communist principles but not in a genuine manner. i.e. tankies.
It's not even that. The specific brand of "communist" the ML admins stan is really just redfash, so all other leftists despise them, even as they insist their 100 year old dogma is the only correct philosophy.
It's also not just that. Dessalines and Nutomic are just basic fucking assholes. Petty and power hungry, and occasionally transphobic, they spend more time banning users and making drama for stupid shit, than they spend writing code, and then have the audacity to guilt people for money.
Dessalines in particular is so fucking cringe, he literally will not post outside of his shitty little fiefdom, because he cannot handle any internet where he doesn't have his little "I win" ban button.
Megathread
It's the authoritarian part LW disagrees with. I think the .world admins would have long defederated ML, but since the lemmy coders are situated on .ML, thats not such an attractive option. Desalines and Nutomic are hardcore tankies and bigots, which crush any dissenting voice on .ml. Even worse, if you want to support lemmy development, the finances of .ml and development budget are intertwined, so every donation for lemmy also supports tankies. It's the reason i switched to piefed,
If you want examples of how those two run their digital kingdom, take a look at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works - most posts are about .ml.
The "tankies" have the same platform as pretty much every real life communist organisation, lemmy.worlders have the same platform as your generic European social democratic party.
I'd have more respect for people just admitting that they're anti-communist rather than trying to redefine and obfuscate the meaning of the word.
No they don't, apart from edgy internet leftists who haven't studied any political theory outside of their sheltered internet canon. The modern internationale, Jacobin, etc, actively avoid the idiotic campism and autocratic baggage the tankies cling to as they relitigate the cold war. There has been a century of revisionist leftist theory since Lenin's "theory" about how everything Lenin does is great even if it is transparently hypocritical. Most of the leftist world has moved on, but tankies still live on that mountain.
This absolutely reeks of western exceptionalism. The "leftist world" is far more than what social democrats in Europe and North America think. Communists in the global south aren't going to be lectured by people from wealthy imperial core countries on what the correct kind of leftism is.
There is still a very deep colonialist mindset here, and one that won't be found amongst actual communist orgs that are politically active.
The absolute gorgeous irony of MLs saying they don't want to be lectured about politics.
But hey, I'm not your psychiatrist, so if you want to maintain this delusion that ML orthodoxy represents some singular, uncorrupted ideal which actually holds any relevant influence anywhere in the world, then by no means will I interfere with your monumental significance.
I'm not an ML, but go ahead. You have no point to make either way.
I'm not anti-communist. I'm anti-authoritarian.
Being a communist does not imply supporting Russia, because Russia is not communist in any way, it's a dictatorship.
Being a communist also does not mean being pro China, because even if China implements parts of communism, communism does not imply eradicating the identity of minorities and censoring whatever the party does not like - i think communism, free speech and a multicultural society do not exclude each other.
Communism is authoritarian, dictatorship of the proletariat. That's a core part of Marxist theory. How on earth can you ever expect to get political power if you're not willing to suppress the forces of capital that will try to resist any attempt to build socialism?
There's also the concept of critical support where you can support something in principle but not support every facet of it, i.e. China. It's not always black and white.
I'm sure you mean well but your idea of communism does not make any sense to me. What does anti-authoritarian communism look like to you, and can you point to a real life communist org that is anti-China, anti-Russia, and anti-authoritarian?
There is a difference between standing for your core values and defending them vs crushing civil liberties and fucking up minorities. I would be very much china-friendly if they weren't so heavy on the censorship - both wiping out a lot of local cultures and suppressing critics, at home and especially abroad - and less biased towards the Han-Chinese population, and to be honest, I don't think the CCP actually needs those points to keep their power., these are self-serving actions to make sure that only themselves and noone else gets a say, like another communistic party that might do things different. Those points are a no-go for me, so i cannot be pro China.
Russia is not communist, not in the slightest. It's the embodiment of feudalistic hypercapitalism - no worker has had any power in Russia for a long time. Wars of Aggression aren't in the interest of the populace either - and it's not their first - especially when it involves staggering losses that are only second to WW2.
I also didn't say anything about GETTING power. I do not like the thought of violent uprisings, but i acknowledge that it might be needed for a change like that.
I get more of an impression that people in general do not understand what they believe. There's a lot of that in the post information era we live; its also an easy excuse to look down my nose at people of course lol.
I think this is pretty insightful. There also is no definitely right answer. Some people may view China as communistic and others may view them as a dictatorship.
Considering they made more billionaires than the US this last year I think the communism thing is a bit of a stretch. At this point they are looking pretty fascist to me. Obviously ML isn't going to agree to that
But what they will do is ban you for saying that (if you said it in one of their communities)! 😉