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Billie Eilish joined Bad Bunny in speaking out against ICE during her acceptance speech at the Grammy Awards, slamming the organization after winning song of the year for “Wildflower.”

The singer was bleeped as she said “fuck ICE,” giving strong commentary during the speech. “Thank you so much. I can’t believe this. Everyone else in this category is so amazing. I love you so much,” she said, standing next to her brother Finneas. “I feel so honored every time I get to be in this room. As grateful as I feel, I honestly don’t feel like I need to say anything but that no one is illegal on stolen land. And, yeah, it’s just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now, and I feel really hopeful in this room, and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting, and our voices really do matter, and the people matter, and fuck ICE. That’s all I’m going to say. Sorry. Thank you so much.”

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like what

Name a culture which hasn't stolen land or had slaves

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] vga@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 week ago
[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What? This is getting confusing.

Yes probably all cultures had slaves or stole land at some point in time. (This is true, depending on whether you see cultures as fixed in time: are current day Egyptians of the same culture as ancient Egyptians? When does culture "restart"? Who decides this?)

Let me ask you: is there no difference between let's say a Native American claiming his land was stolen (hundreds of years ago and his people massacred, and he's now a second rank citizen on his own land), and for instance a white European claiming his land was stolen (by the Romans? During WW2? I would not know what he means honestly, especially because he is now part of a nation state, a first class citizen).

Yes all land was stolen. But this is not an absolute. You wouldn't agree the Native American had his land quite a bit more relatively stolen?

My point is you can't invalidate the claim of native peoples just by going "meh, so what? All land was technically stolen at some point". Some people can make a more legitimate claim their land was stolen than others.