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Billie Eilish joined Bad Bunny in speaking out against ICE during her acceptance speech at the Grammy Awards, slamming the organization after winning song of the year for “Wildflower.”

The singer was bleeped as she said “fuck ICE,” giving strong commentary during the speech. “Thank you so much. I can’t believe this. Everyone else in this category is so amazing. I love you so much,” she said, standing next to her brother Finneas. “I feel so honored every time I get to be in this room. As grateful as I feel, I honestly don’t feel like I need to say anything but that no one is illegal on stolen land. And, yeah, it’s just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now, and I feel really hopeful in this room, and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting, and our voices really do matter, and the people matter, and fuck ICE. That’s all I’m going to say. Sorry. Thank you so much.”

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You can't meaningfully own something that existed before you and will continue to exist after you.

The concept of private property, especially in regards to land ownership is spurious to ridiculous.

Now your breath you own. Your spoken words you own. Thoughts, too. They will all die with you and can't exist without you. Though, ownership here isn't implying originality of any kind. You can own thoughts that you did not originate. That's how cults spread.

Think of an apple trying to claim ownership of the apple tree from which it hangs.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

So philosophically, I agree with you, but how would the logistics of land use work without something similar to ownership?

Like, how would you decide who gets to live where?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

everyone would magically self determine that and there wouldn't be any conflict because there would be endless abundance and we would all be endlessly happy forever.

the earth being a finite resource over which there is inevitable conflict is a social construct of our minds, clearly.

who gets to live where in reality, is a determination of systems of government and law. in some systems land is entirely own by the state and the state grants people temporary rights of use. essentially, a lease from the government.

and private property purists will argue without unless government guarantees land ownership and rights in perpetuity, that government can't be legitimate and they also typically see taxation of land as a form of injustice.

[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

That's a good question with endless possible answers.

I can't speak for everyone. But I like the idea of egalitarian intentional communities, as a demsoc. No representatives or charismatic leaders. Smaller communities with direct democracy I think would be ideal. A place where you know everyone's name and vice versa.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

You can't guarantee what apple you'll get from its seed though...

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In the 1800s in USA, people were simply traveling around freely by horse, discovering new places, and if they found a place they liked by a lake or river by a beautiful waterfall or a place with great agricultural potential, they would just plant themselves there and build a house without having to ask permission from anyone. Later in the 1800s the government swooped in and decided the government owned everything and made all those people pay the government for the rest of their life to live anywhere 😠

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They discovered shit. The land was already discovered and inhabited by people.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Well yeah that too. Indigenous people didn't have to pay anyone to live anywhere either.