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[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving "good food" (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it's fancier food it doesn't necessarily mean you'll actually like it more?

So, what are some foods that people only like because they're fancy? (I'd argue caviar is one)

Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they're seen as being "good movies"?

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet

You and I have different friends. One halloween we had a ham costume competition

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 29 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Shakespeare's collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same pen name.

Granted it's not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?

If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won't make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he's so revered.

In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well... He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don't generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 16 points 21 hours ago

The 2009 BBC Hamlet with David Tenant and Patrick Stewart is, without a doubt, the best possible version of hamlet on stage, on film, in its entirety.

I worked through and annotated hamlet and then watched that version. Just me, a dark room, popcorn, and a cozy spot.

It has made me obsess over Hamlet. Such a wonderful story!

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 11 points 21 hours ago

Shakespeare's influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it's almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a "wild-goose" chase. Having a "heart of gold". To "vanish into thin air". Even: "Knock knock, Who's there?" was his.

His works might be hard work for today's student since the language isn't the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today's films. "It's been done better since!" His works are from 500 years ago!

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Imo shakespeare is like seinfeld.

So incredibly influential and popular that reading/watching is boring because everything that has been said by them has been said by everyone else, but better years/decades/centuries later.

I agree that shakespeare is a slog, simply because ive seen probably 50 "hamlet" television episodes that are better

Another great example: West-side Story is just a much better version of romeo and juliet which is slow for no reason in comparison.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 23 hours ago

I unironically like shakespeare, but yeah, there is an element of inertia to his popularity.

[–] Jojowski@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

A million flies can't be wrong.

[–] Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So like, the entire Marvel universe? 

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 23 hours ago

I sort of get what you're saying, but that's less because the movie is fancy. More that it has a high budget.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

The first iron man was ok.

But otherwise yes.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Oh, sure. Not debating that. But it's popular because it's seen as fancy.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

You know I've never had caviar but I love the roe they put on sushi. It's fantastic.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Popular might not be the word. Bananas are popular, I can buy the in virtually every store in the country. Caviar is actually pretty hard to get, so it's clearly not a thing that very many people like.

I would say that it's "regarded as good" because it's exclusive, scarce, and expensive. Like, rich people like it (because they can get it) and therefore it's good.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to contribute some nuance because I think this is what OP was getting at.

[–] Barrymore@sh.itjust.works 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

In the same vein that lobsters used to be seen as poor food, bugs of the sea. And now we make them scarce and market it as fancy, selling it as a delicacy

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Lobster used to be boiled to the point of being hard and rubbery before being served as poor food. Cooking it to the right texture and serving with butter and other things that make it delicious was a later development.

Same with the less popular tough meat cuts, where specific preparation is needed for it to be delicious BBQ.

It isn't scarcity or marketing as much as it is specific preparation being necessary before it becomes enjoyable to eat.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I would debate it. I've heard that it's gross. I've never had it though. I'm not fancy enough.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Basically little Gushers filled with fishy, salty juice.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It seems like once real gushers were invented, caviar would become obsolete.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

The texture in the fish ones are so much better

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 23 hours ago

Imo It's good but not worth the hype. But i've never had the good stuff (And never will, now that I don't eat meat)

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, I understand you.