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[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 77 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I think I know what OOP means here. Films that people only like because they're "good movies."

I think the Avatar films fall into this category, as do most of the "Oscar bait" movies.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Avatar is not a good film and this I refuse to watch it. In this six part series I will lay out my reasoning, beginning with the moon...

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 2 points 1 hour ago

I hate these kinds of "opinions".

It isn't their opinion, they copied the opinion from someone else. To have an opinion on your own you have to have actually experienced the media. Otherwise you are just judging a book by its one review.

[–] Hond@piefed.social 75 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving "good food" (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it's fancier food it doesn't necessarily mean you'll actually like it more?

So, what are some foods that people only like because they're fancy? (I'd argue caviar is one)

Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they're seen as being "good movies"?

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet

You and I have different friends. One halloween we had a ham costume competition

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 29 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Shakespeare's collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same pen name.

Granted it's not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?

If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won't make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he's so revered.

In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well... He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don't generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 16 points 21 hours ago

The 2009 BBC Hamlet with David Tenant and Patrick Stewart is, without a doubt, the best possible version of hamlet on stage, on film, in its entirety.

I worked through and annotated hamlet and then watched that version. Just me, a dark room, popcorn, and a cozy spot.

It has made me obsess over Hamlet. Such a wonderful story!

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 11 points 21 hours ago

Shakespeare's influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it's almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a "wild-goose" chase. Having a "heart of gold". To "vanish into thin air". Even: "Knock knock, Who's there?" was his.

His works might be hard work for today's student since the language isn't the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today's films. "It's been done better since!" His works are from 500 years ago!

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Imo shakespeare is like seinfeld.

So incredibly influential and popular that reading/watching is boring because everything that has been said by them has been said by everyone else, but better years/decades/centuries later.

I agree that shakespeare is a slog, simply because ive seen probably 50 "hamlet" television episodes that are better

Another great example: West-side Story is just a much better version of romeo and juliet which is slow for no reason in comparison.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 23 hours ago

I unironically like shakespeare, but yeah, there is an element of inertia to his popularity.

[–] Jojowski@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

A million flies can't be wrong.

[–] Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So like, the entire Marvel universe? 

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 23 hours ago

I sort of get what you're saying, but that's less because the movie is fancy. More that it has a high budget.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

The first iron man was ok.

But otherwise yes.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 5 points 23 hours ago (11 children)
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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

OG Avatar was basically “last of the space Mohicans”.

Also: Jesus tapdancing christ 🤦‍♂️

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The amount of money spent making Avatar movies could probably have paid for universal K-College education for every American for decades with enough money left over to bribe the politicians into voting for something regular people want for a change!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

And they could have still made the movies with the other billion

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You know how like some stuff is goodbad but people like it because it's not awful? Like, when it's not made with minimal effort and it seems like someone actually tried write believable dialog.

What are goodbad movies like that movies like that but good.

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"Good movies"

"Oscar bait"

I think the Avatar films fall into this category

[–] Ach@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Huge box office numbers =/= people calling a film good. People have absolutely been turning out in record numbers for the films, but have all been shit talking them endlessly for fifteen years.

I'm not arguing its sensible. Look at Call of Duty and the rhetoric around how bad they've become, but the same people whining always buy them.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I think the Avatar films fall into this category

Nah, those movies are ass. They just have amazing special effects.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 20 hours ago

... and somehow they still get butts in seats and lots of people enjoy them.

People want to see the cutting-edge cgi. In that sense it absolutely is qualityslop.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Did anyone really feel like the CGI was cutting edge at the time? Maybe I was hard to impress, but I felt like it was a bad movie with mid-grade CGI 🤷‍♂️

[–] wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org 2 points 5 hours ago

Yes, it's absolutely cutting edge CGI. Every one of those movies pushed CGI technology so much further.

I had the pleasure of watching a talk by the CGI team at an animators convention when the second movie came out and it's absolutely insane how much work goes into every tiny detail. The first thing they did for example, was to animate a water drop as physically correct as possible. And then they build up from there. They also filmed hours of reference material.

Remember the scene in the second movie where they burn down the huts? They build one of those huts for real, live sized (remember the Navii are bigger than humans) and hand weaved. And then they burned it down. Just to see how fire interacts with that material.

The Avatar movies are nothing special story wise, but from a CGI point of view, they have always been groundbreaking.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 19 hours ago

The first one felt pretty amazing at the time. It was enough that I left the theater feeling like I had watched a good movie. When I watched it again later on TV I was like... wait a minute, this isn't good.

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, this is things like most Tarantino films, particularly Pulp Fiction, where it's a good movie, but every 17 year old you meet who loves it only loves it because everyone else loves it.

It’s the Kill Bill movies where he finally included enough of Uma’s feet.

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