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Yes. But that's not a retort. You're assuming you can tell whether someone is genuine based on how they enjoy the same thing you do.
You're either desperate to get the last word in, or legitimately obtuse.
I could rephrase one more time, but you're clearly either unwilling or incapable of understanding what I'm saying.
I could say the same about you.
You haven't actually elaborated, though.
You've just repeated that way the way YOU like it, is the REAL way.
If you say you like the winter, but you don't like the winter, what would you call it other than hypocrisy?
Sure. But you can't make that conclusion.
You can't use whether someone likes being outside during it, to tell whether they like winter. It's a time of year, not an activity.
But their activity doesn't depend on winter. Thats the point.
How is the activity relevant?
Are you sure you enjoy winter? Maybe you just like going outside. No winter "needed" for that.
And before you say "I like being outside during/because it's winter" the exact same sentence works for people who "like being cozy indoors during/because it's winter".
The latter is not possible in the summer, the way it isn't possibly for you to enjoy "winter" in the summer by walking into a refrigerated hockey hall. It's not winter.
Because it's a time of year, not an activity or even a set of conditions.
Different people enjoy the same thing for different reasons. That doesn't make them dishonest or hypocritical.
Yeah you nailed it. I have versions of this debate (although more lighthearted) with friends and family sometimes.
There are also lots of things to like about the winter season besides just the cold. Like there being less/no insects both inside and outside, the world generally being a bit quieter, etc.
The activity is the only relevant part. If I like to ice fish, I'm only gonna be able to do that during the winter. Therefore I like the winter, because it enables me to do the activity that i like.
Nothing about the winter enables you in particular to sit with cocoa and a heated blanket. Other than the fact that you like to sit under blankets with cocoa.
Then I'd argue, you just like ice-fishing.
How does that lead to liking winter? That's just the time of year.
The answer, is the same way people who like winter for any other reason.
Ask around. The vast majority of people will simply say "it's not the same".
Because it isn't. It's not winter.
You can't do it at another time of year. Now i think you're the one being dense.
Why does that lead to liking winter?
I hate insects.
They only show up in summer.
Does that make me a liar if I claim to like summer?
You can think whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact you're detecting dishonesty where none is present.
You're just wrong.
Liking a time of year does not require engaging in "exclusive" activities to "prove" it.
End of discussion.
I can tell that you lack reading comprehension, go back and read it again.
What a pointless argument then. Why do you bother arguing about liking seasons or not, if you don't care about the characteristics of a season?
Well, either you are lying to yourself or to me. But what do I know about you.
The discussion is over.
I'm clearly incapable of helping you get it.
That, or you're a troll. Which seems much more likely.
I can't imagine any sane person discovering how unpopular their position is as yours, and not stopping to reconsider whether they might not have an accurate understanding of how people think about the subject.
So being correct is a popularity contest? Really?
No.
I'm right because I'm right, and your refusal to actually consider what I've said in your position is mind boggling. You HAVE to be trolling? Right?!
Your position would require omnipotence on your part to be valid, yet you claim to be able to determine the presence of hypocrisy based on factors that have no obligation to correlate with the conclusion you are claiming is obvious.
Oh look, here I go paraphrasing my own point again. As if you'll finally comprehend it enough to put together the beginnings of a valid retort.
No, my point explains itself. You on the other hand require whole paragraphs to try to convince yourself that whatever you think is true, is. Do you not understand the word "lie"? Do you not know what the word "hypocrisy" means?
In that case I can understand how you would need to paraphrase YOURSELF. Even your own argument against me, claiming that I'M claiming to be the omnipotent one falls on the fact that you only care about your own arguments, making you, dare I say, a hypocrite?
Getting downvoted by the majority is your idea of a "point that explains itself"?
Either your point doesn't explain itself, or you made it poorly. Or it didn't make sense in the first place.
Either way, the next step any normal person would take, is to ELABORATE. If to no one else, at least to themselves, so as to validate their assumptions.
If you can't, your point should be dropped.
If you just go "well, it's obvius" then you didn't do that. What you did, was ignore potential data.
I might write with the confidence of knowing I'm right, but at least I'm not at the level of hubris where I write as if you're delusional enough to already agree with me, and desperately trying to pull the wool back over your head.
If your goal isn't to make a genuine attempt to convince me, why are you here?
Clearly, your stance doesn't stand on it's own, so for gods sake reinforce it.
And if you wont do that, how are you NOT a troll?
I'm literally begging you to present yours.
You're replying too fast. I'm saying you can't be, but would need to be, to have a valid argument.
If you can't explain it, then you don't understand it. As far as I can tell, your only point is that you can tell when someone is being hypocritical, based on a single point of behaviour, on a matter as wide as the seasons. That's correlation=causation type nonsense.
Semantics? Really?
Rewording an argument when someone refuses to engage with it is a great way to make a point multiple times, to try to get enough pieces of it into someones head, so they might get it.
This way of doing it has a chance of working even when someone is actively refusing to think.
What is your strategy? Be annoying?
Winter is defined as the cold season, meaning snow, shorter days.
If you say you like the winter but you dislike the cold and the snow, then what would you call that?
You keep arguing as if I am the one who defined what winter is. I obviously didn't. So when you make the claim that "I" somehow define what winter is, I'm frankly at a loss of what to say other than that you don't understand what words mean.
But i suppose anything is winter if you do it during the winter.
Normal. Again, people can like the same things for different reasons. They don't have to enjoy the weather conditions to find snowy landscapes beatiful, for example.
Winter is a time of year. Winter still comes and goes, even if there is no snow, or negative temps. The one constant, is the earths position relative to the sun, and some of the effects that has, such as amount and angle of light in a day.
I'm arguing like your idea of what winter is, is horseshit. Because it is. You act as if select aspects of it are intrinsic, and that each of them must be enjoyed, for a person to be able to claim they enjoy winter, without you labeling them a hypocrite. But each person can enjoy or dislike whatever aspects they want, and come to whatever conclusions they come to, about how it all balances out and makes them feel about it.
If you really want to get pedantic, you could reduce all this "oh yeah, I really enjoy when our hemisphere of the planet is tilted away from our sun, it's my favorite orbital phase". And guess what? That would still be a valid reason for someone to honestly like winter! Who are you and me to judge whether their dislike of the cold outweighs their enthusiasm for orbital mechanics?
Yes! That is how seasons work!
Was that so hard?
Enjoying the mere concept of something, is a perfectly valid reason to enjoy a time of year. Regardless of how directly you engage with the actual conditions involved.
I mean exactly what I've said. I don't know what to tell you if you can't read it in sequence, and get something that makes sense.
If you're going to bring up semantics, you should be pointing out what it is you've noticed, what confuses you, and why.
If you want me to correct for a difference in our definitions, you'll have to actually point them out, not just blankly ask "what do you think words mean?".
Bottom line: your lack of comprehension does not make other people hypocritical.
It just makes you dense.
I think you might be overthinking this, but seeing as I don't have a retort, you've won! (I guess?)