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When there are road works they tend to close the high way or at least some lanes because a hi vis jacket doesn't protect you against speeding lunatics.
There are also a lot of photos of hi-vis roadworks and emergency vehicles that motorists have crashed into. It's almost like it's not visibility that's the problem…
I recall there being a phenomenon where drivers brains actually filter out hi-vis jackets as "unimportant data" because we see them so much.
Yeah, the "urban camouflage" theory. Or they expect us to be slow or static like a roadworker or emergency worker and so botch the overtake.
I think the issue was the car its self was not visible enough to the emergency vehicles. Car drivers should be wearing reflective gear and helmets, and the car should be fully reflective.
Visibility helps
We are not invisible. The problem is that motorists aren't looking or aren't caring. Put some plain-clothes cops on bikes as bait and catch the incompetent.
Added visibility still helps
It really doesn't, especially if it makes you look less like an ordinary human. You absolutely don't want them to think you're an expert rider who doesn't need space, or something like that.
You don't need them to see you from space. You need them to see you from just far enough away, but actually care enough not to endanger you.
Bizarre to argue against added visibility improving safety
Well, truth is often stranger than fiction. Look at the research. Once a threshhold of visibility is achieved, more is not better. Beyond a point, more is actually detrimental.
Sounds interesting. Do you have these studies? I've always just read that visibility is a plus in traffic.
They're trying to argue a nuanced point and yall are being intentionally pedantic as to miss it, for shame.
I'm so far under the impression that added visibility is still good. They referenced studies saying there's a dropoff where it causes more harm than good, as mentioned earlier, but I haven't seen that yet
So pump the brakes a bit, friend
Nah friend my fixie doesn't have brakes to pump, you replied with the same one-liner twice in a row without engaging anything they said, not cool!
It's a simple point, for the nuance I'd like to see something to change my mind tbh. I'm under the impression that unless you go ridiculous then added visibility helps everyone
Hah is that a joke about the stereotype? Pretty good