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soo when will California declare independence?
A union with Oregon and Washington state would be nice too (us west coasters should work together)
Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington might team up with Central California and fuck it all up.
They can go go fuck off with Idaho, I won't miss any of em.
Don’t they grow most of the food?
The West Coast grows most of the money. They can buy food.
Read the comment again, they’re talking about the farming parts of California not wanting to joined the rest of the state in leaving.
There is precedent for an import economy for California - we already are an effective energy bubble (importing the majority of our oil from tankers) due to our geographical separation from the rest of the US.
That being said, I would place my money on our population centers using their economic power to "convince" the farming parts of California to stick around.
I'm out here and will def help run those ass backwards fucks over to Idaho
As a WA resident, I’d welcome that union.
Yup but should be done after election to see if we will have a nation or not
along with the NYC as long as they get rid of thier rich GOP districts.
It'll never happen, as nice as it sounds.
So I'm Canadian and we have separatists in, now 2 provinces.
Whether the latest is a conservative US psy-op, is up for debate. But that is probably part of it.
The Quebec separatists have been angry for the total of my lifetime and being from BC I've mostly ignored their plight of "different culture" but I never wanted to lose that chunk of the country and to me it's part of the greater Canadian culture.
The Alberta "separatists" are different, they are more like traitors.
Citing stats like, "Alberta (oil and gas province, the "Texas" of Canada) contributes more in equalization payments to other Canadians provinces!", which is true, as a total sum.
But the morons don't understand that equalization payments are taken from federal taxes in a bracketed tax system, so it just means on average, Albertans are richer. The rich they cry that they're not getting fair share...
Epitome of greed.
They believe because they were simply born there, moved there, that all the mineral and oil and gas profits belong to them. They're even more idiotic to believe the producers will share these profits with them.
They're not taking that away from our country, and it's worth going to war over. I think California would end up falling into the same situation of belief, though reversed between conservative and left-of-conservative views.
They'd go to war over it. So bit of a dangerous play.
Yep, and the equalization payment garbage really sums up the right-leaning mentality that's pushed on society lately as well; if the results aren't immediate, it's not worth doing. These traitors scream about how they pay more than other provinces and get nothing back. The fact is they get a lot back, it's just not immediately apparent.
Equalization payments help "have-not" provinces who need the boost, which strengthens those provinces. Strengthening the "have-nots" makes Canada stronger as a whole and more united, which very much helps Alberta (and every province). The "fuck you I got mine" attitude that gets pushed by Conservative gov'ts is a toxic cancer that's spreading through the population and makes it easy for them to push their division politics, like Danielle Smith does. You're meant to get sucked into it to fight the culture war so you don't look up and fight the class war.
also, if we didnt just let these multinational oil companies just siphon off all the profits and leave messy orphaned wells for the public to clean up, albertans would be better off
If we had started a sovereign wealth fund like norway, instead of shipping all the profits overseas, we would all be better off..
I would actually support oil and gas if it actually benefitted the nation.
Canada got rid of the british, but not the corporations that are the true colonizers still extracting from the land and the people and sending the wealth overseas
Capitalism is the root cause of every modern societal problem, and also the biggest obstacle to most solutions.
The Heritage Fund was our Noway fund, it was just mismanaged to the point of nonexistence. Smith "brought it back" but I suspect it's going to just be a slush fund to increase pension payments for the first couple years after dumping CPP to make it seem like the APP performs better.
I get that what's I'm going to say is crazy, but I think it would be a lot easier to just remove trump from office than gain indipendence. Neither would be "easy" but balkanizing the US is just not gonna happen.
Famous last words of many empires
I'm still waiting for New California Republic, Americans.