I've seen alot of calls for violence in America. Whether it be directed at the president or Federal officers, many people are advocating for an escalation in response to the current situation.
And believe me, I do understand. what I see happening in America is horrifying. But all I am imploring is to really think about what your asking for. Because you can't put the genie in the bottle once you've left it out.
If you're really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.
I am going to link a YouTube Playlist. Its the Associated Press Archives of the Bosnian-Serbian war. Because THAT is what will happen if wide scale violence breaks out. Except what will happen in America will be a hundred times worse.
The Bosnian war was pretty much broken up along ethnic lines. "Well it's going to be Conservative VS. Liberal" you say. Except it won't be. It will be anyone having a grudge against someone going after them.
ALOT of personal animosity will be taken out in the first few weeks I feel.
And I think the Seige of Sarajavo will be writ large in American cities across the country. Imagine having to dodge sniper fire on your way to get to your job at Wendy's.
Because that's the other thing no one is thinking about. You are still going to have to make a living while this is all going to be happening. And the cost of everything will skyrocket. Shipping will probably have to be escorted from place to place because people will be stealing or even blockading locations because they're "damn dirty libs" or "Fascist Conservatives" Fresh produce will become a thing of the past.
Canada and Mexico will close their borders due to all the refugee's trying to cross. so if you thinking of doing it, do it the moment everything pops off because otherwise you won't get in.
Basically Civil war is going to the worst thing to happen in America in a long time. and the only good that comes out of it will be Americans will finally have first hand experience of real war torn violence. And maybe that will hopefully last for another two hundred years or so.
If America even survives the outcome that is.
My idea is to people resist getting kidnapped, tortured and even killed. Maybe if your family ever become victims of ICE you will understand. I hope it never happen
Sure, if they're apprehended by ICE, by all means they can choose to resist. But if they're outnumbered it probably won't be effective, and will only increase the amount of brutality they're subjected to.
Plus, if there aren't any legitimate charges to book them with, fighting back gives agents the charge they need. Otherwise there's a higher chance of being released.
And if you don't fight back, then they might shoot you, as is evident by now. But if you do fight back, then they'll probably shoot you. So what degree of risk are you willing to accept? Cause it's a sliding scale, not a coin flip.
You are acting like ice and trump still care about the rule of law
Once they are deported like in salvador, it is the end of them thry will stay in the torture camps
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/white-house-bukele-visit-trump-1.7509466
It's not about whether trump or ice care about the rule of law, it's about whether the courts are capable or willing to intercede.
They're not going to be able to help if you punch an agent in the face, much as he might have deserved it.
The court will slowly become useless and all the democratic institutions. Falling into complete authoritarianism is a slow process and not an overnight chance that's why it is important to peacefully escalate expect when people has the right to forcefully defend themselves. That's why early resistance is important and by resistance I do not mean start shooting ice agents
Fortunately for him the victim was returned at the end but there are ton of peoole who doesn't have that chance and stuck in torture camps
I'm aware that the situation is bad. I haven't argued otherwise.
The argument in question is about methodologies, and for now I'm saying a violent resistance would be counterproductive.
I'm not claiming to know a viable alternative. But doing nothing is better than making things worse.
History shows the opposite the inaction is more costly than standing up against authoritarianism. It is going to become worse regardless if not stopped so better try and fail then fail and never try
It's impossible to verify that through any objective lens, as every situation is unique and there's no control group to compare it to. There's no way to isolate variables, and any alternate timeline is merely hypothetical.
The French Resistance played an important role in WWII, but for most of the early war they were hiding out and keeping a low profile so they wouldn't get steamrolled. Without Allied support, it wouldn't have been enough.
Today, technology has advanced to the point where it would be next to impossible to keep an organized resistance of comparable size undetected as long as they managed to.
Any appeal to history is inapplicable because the advancement of modern technology and the resulting imbalance of military might is such that it has no historical analog.
While limited violent confrotation by french resistance existed from the beginning. They was lucky that they have allied countries, they would still resist if help didn't come. Unlike french resistance no countries will save oppresed americans unless trump Trump start world war 3. That the risky cost of inaction
I think we're in agreement there, if I understand you correctly.
However, the conclusion I draw from that us that it's a riskier cost of a particular set of actions