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There’s a lot between holding a sign and shooting a gun. The reason nothing will ever happen is because you refuse to see that.
for anyone who is actually wondering what they could do, in between holding a sign and shooting a gun, i have a few suggestions. many outdated, but it might get you thinking the right direction
Industry has grown around this type of sabatoge. Now specific people are in charge of preventing these problems, and will be removed swiftly if everything they touch disintigrates.
I do like this doc, although I wish someone would update it to our cause. We need something geared to sabotaging ice and the right wing… but with an emphasis on safety and anonymity.
Frankly I can't think of any movement or resitance in history that didn't involve either a protest or violence at some point.
You refuse to accept that protesting builds movements to the point where they can create large action. Certainly was part of the civil rights movement.
I definently support the people actually going to and organizing protesters a whole lot more than someone bitching online that this isn't enough. Go ahead be the change you want to see
I see zero momentum. There is absolutely no difference between an ice protest and no kings. It’s gonna be the same people. Probably fewer. Same end result—nothing.
You can be frank until you’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change reality. You just cannot accept that this country is done, despite the overwhelming evidence.
And, when someone ruins your good vibes with reality—you lash out and clutch your useless picket sign! The tactics of the civil rights movement worked THEN. They will not work NOW.
You say this as mass protest is currently forcing change in Iran. Mass protests directly led to multiple regime changes around the world in just the last 6 months.
The only ones who don't want you to protest are those in power. Hence why places with less well enshrined rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly keep passing laws to try to ban effective methods of protest
That was not the United States. Focus.
General strikes and Civil disobedience won't work now?
Kinda running out of options that don't involve guns bud.
Oh gotcha you're just not even wanting to try anything at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
Again, you only see picket signs vs bullets.
I must not be willing to try ANYTHING because I disagree with you. Despite me saying otherwise this whole time.
Like I said, clutch you picket signs and block your ears.
Have the day you fought for 💋
You're both right, but seems like you're both just trying to prove the other wrong. Keep protesting, keep showing up, but imagine how much more effective it would be if those protesters were armed. Openly armed. You don't even need to bring ammo, just make it clear that the left - that most Americans can fight too.
We're probably not voting our way out of this, we'll just vote it back into the shadows. ICE has been around for decades, surveillance state for decades, broken police system for centuries (?), liberal/neoliberal economy for decades, our government more and more a plutocracy for decades which has held the monopoly on violence.
Solutions via option A or B would be great, but the threat of option C must be on the table. If you're holding a gun and I'm holding a sign, then we aren't negotiating on equal footing.
Truthfully I feel like I gave them the opportunity several times to state their alternatives. They refused and just said it's impossible
You never asked me for another option. You told me there were no other options. You refuse to entertain anything. I’m not a troll just because I disagree with you.
Nothing can happen until the November election.
No Kings needs to organize and flip every red seat they can. It seems likely the House will flip. It's POSSIBLE (but unlikely) the Senate will flip.
November is too long of a wait
That's the way politics works, you get another election and vote them out.
No kings is dead. No ICE (or whatever) is gonna last a month. By October, there will be some sort of gestapo set up to disrupt elections. The post office already removed incoming timestamps for one reason—mail in vote suppression.
The future is crystal clear—I dunno how you fools keep talking about “next election” like this is going to ever end.
Not sure what makes you think No Kings and 5051 are dead, they're still going and will only get stronger as we get closer to election season.
There will be a next election because elections are run at the state and local levels, the feds can't stop it even if they wanted to.
So what specifically came from No Kings that we can call a victory?
Organizing 7 million people to protest on the same day was a huge feat.
To put that in perspective, the margin between Trump and Harris was only 2 million.
And those seven Million people met and then went home… So what I’m asking for is…. what happened? Nothing. What were the gains? None.
Because as far as I can tell, Trump—the self-proclaimed president of Venezuela—is going to take over another country pretty soon… Pretty sure that makes him a king.
Getting people organized is the first step, getting them to actually vote is the second. That's where we're at in 2026.
If they succeed in motivating people to vote out the Republicans, that's all it takes.
lol. Organization. Voting. Come November you’ll wish you sided with action—but it will be too late.
Organizing and voting is the action.
A revolution is a pipe dream, it's not happening.
Oh sweetie, there is no revolution. Not with people who silence revolution controlling the conversation of the Internet.
The best you can hope for is to stay alive for the next 50 years during the Republican regime.
I've been alive through this before...
1969-1976
1981-1992
2001-2008
2017-2020
2025-2028
There have only been a few Democratic breaks:
1977-1980
1993-2000
2008-2016
2021-2024
It will likely flip back in 2028, but we have to flip the House back in 2026, ideally the House and Senate but that's unlikely.
“Everything is going to be fine”
Famous last words.
So, if the dems don’t flip it in 26, you’ll eat your hat or just keep on believing a lie?
What lie would that be?
still, you first.
I’m leaving the country. Yall have fun.
excellent position between peaceful protest and bullets you chose there
I think it is. Because I know what is likely to happen…or, not happen.