MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then.
You're falsely accusing me of something. Prove it, liar.
You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.
Respecting the October 7 attacks, limited details are reliably known.
It is known that both Hamas and Israeli combatants perpetrated attacks, and it is known that many people were killed, including many Israelis.
It is known that Hamas taking hostages was planned as a important component of the mission, and that it was successful.
The claims of sexual assault have now been almost completely dismissed, many as completely lacking credibility, others as not supported adequately by evidence. Israel's dishonest and obstructive conduct has obscured the truth, probably irredeemably.
Even generously accepting some of the evidence offered for sexual assault, it would remain unknown whether such acts were spontaneous choices by individuals, or ordered by higher tiers of command.
Furthermore, it is unknown how many of the Israelis who were killed died as a consequence of Israeli fire.
Regardless of your sense of intention, I feel it is right that you were called out for acting as mouthpiece of Israel and Zionism.
You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.
Or admit that you lied when you said it.
You know what you wrote. Stop being obstinate.
I stand by my characterizations, regarding the allegations you repeated, as well as regarding issues more personal.
The truth is we don't know what happened, and you find it hard to accept a world with uncertainty and nuance.
You find it hard to accept that there is not always a clear path to proving yourself right and proving someone else wrong.
Yup, exactly. I know exactly what I wrote which is why I can be so confident that I caught you in a lie.
Quote it.
Oh I also forgot to add kidnapping and murdering babies to the list of things you sick fucks like for some reason.
You're an insufferable child, completely irresponsible and locked in narrow loops of self importance.
The discussion now completely lacks any chance of becoming constructive.
You can take your animosity elsewhere.
Look how hostile you have to get because you simply cannot quote the thing you so obviously lied about.
Disgusting that you just blatantly lie and gaslight like this. Is that your form of imperfect resistance?
I very patiently and politely tried steer the conversation beyond the counterproductive space of your singlemindedly trying to prove yourself right.
There, I've added one more comment, so it is no longer necessary that the last one is on a sour note.
No, you very obviously pivoted left and right to avoid the fact that you blatantly lied about me.
It's good that you keep doubling down on this so people can see just how much you're willing to gaslight to push a fabricated narrative that anyone can plainly see is untrue.
Shame on you.