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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Creating a narrative around someone who was good, going against everything they stood for but controlling the narrative around them to force one's own autocratic policies upon others is an ancient tale.

Fascists do it with the founding fathers of the USA

Tankies do it with Marx

And Christians started doing it about the exact moment Jesus's body hit rigor mortis.

Deification of notable figures, in Jesus's case literally, is always something done by autocrats who demand control over everyone else.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Tankies do it with Marx

The guy who advocated for armed opposition to capitalism?

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Actually I was referring to how tankies pretend to be communists but the moment the revolution concludes, they immediately abandon the teachings of Marx (proletariat rule, seizing the means of production for the proletariat, elimination of capitalism, etc), and instead go all in on autocracy and state-capitalism.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

tankies pretend to be communists

By advocating for positions that Marx held?

the moment the revolution concludes, they immediately abandon the teachings of Marx

Permanent revolution is the strategy of a revolutionary class pursuing its own interests independently and without compromise or alliance with opposing sections of society. As a term within Marxist theory, it was first coined by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels as early as 1850.

I don't think you know what you're talking about

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

By advocating for positions that Marx held?

No, actually, by fundamentally abandoning the positions Marx held in favor of whatever Marxist-Leninist "make it up as you go" bullshit a specific country claims to follow.

You know, like abandoning the fight for proletariat rule, the proletariat owning the means of production, and the elimination of the system of capital. Those things core to Marx's philosophy that every single ML country has utterly failed to do, and has actually established permenant barriers to by way of autocracy.

Permanent revolution is the strategy of a revolutionary class pursuing its own interests independently

Right, which didn't happen in the USSR because they abandoned those big 3 Marxist principles, which are the fucking point of communist ideology.

and without compromise or alliance with opposing sections of society.

Right, like how virtually every self proclaimed communist, or Marxist-Leninist country sold their souls to their external allies, such as the USSR, China, Cuba, etc, who all abandoned Marxism in favor of Red Fascism, AKA: Marxist-Leninism AKA: Most typically autocratic state-capitalism

As a term within Marxist theory, it was first coined by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels as early as 1850.

And we can very easily see how the countries tankies promote as the best iteration of revolutionary societies are fundamentally not in any way compliant with Marxist ideology.

Again, proletariat rule, the proletariat owning the means of production, and the elimination of the system of capital are the entire fucking point of Marxism.

The systems and states tankies gush over have not only abandoned these principles, but actively repress any progress towards them by way of autocracy and state-capitalism

I don't think you know what you're talking about

Typical tankie psychological projection

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Did you not fucking read the conversation?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I read it. You're angry at me calling you out on your ignorance and you're having a tandrum.

Please piss off now.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

No I pointed out tankies aren't communists and because you clearly don't know how to read, you shared an irrelevant meme as if it was some sort of mic drop.

Please fuck off somewhere else to embarrass yourself.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, nevermind that whole 'Under No Pretext' thing!