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The Pilot isn't an enormous SUV (that would be something like the Cadillac Escalade), but Honda alone makes the CRV and HRV which are smaller SUVs. Plus sedans like the Civic. It's not hard to find smaller cars, but when you have three school age kids the Pilot makes sense.
The Honda pilot is enormous
The Honda pilot is an SUV (in the marketing crossover sense and common terms)
however yes it is not an enormous SUV, it is just both of those things independently
I don't follow your logic for three school-age kids and the pilot making sense.
Three kids need seats plus cargo space for bags, sports equipment, their friends, etc. Like you could fit everyone into a CRV, but it starts to get real tight when you add bags and stuff. I'm pretty sure her Pilot was also fairly old, not the biggest newest one.
man people really do forget that minivans were made for this specific purpose and do it way better than a crossover
Conceptually modern small/mid-size SUVs and minivans are the same.
A grand caravan is 15 inches longer than the Pilot, 1 inch wider and 7 inches taller.
doors, internal layout, and shape of the cabin are far more functional on the minivan
Yup. Wayyyy more space as a general rule. You can fit 7 people in minivans.
If you know, you know.
Those a rookie numbers. We got seven people in a subaru once.
Granted, one of us was in the trunk, and the other was laying on everybody's lap in the back seat, but we did it.
Haha, I believe it.
I'm assuming this was not one of those Subaru station wagons. If you ignore seatbelt laws, you could probably get that many in the back w/ the seat down, LOL.
I mean, we were already ignoring seatbelt laws, lol. If the guy's trunk didn't have a bunch of shit in it, we probably could have doubled the number of teenagers on a pilgrimage to McDonalds.
oh, I do know.
a friend had a minivan for a while, we used to pile five guys and gear for whatever trip into that thing all the time after he took out some of the kid stuff. just some of it, didn't even need it fully cleaned out.
I'd considered buying one for myself, but I am partial to wagons and the price was never right for me for my application.
I still struggle to fit all the shit I want to into my car sometimes, though. difficult when the back seat is taken up by two dogs. a minivan would fit it no problem, meanwhile my car is packed to the ceiling and I've got the passenger seat full too. does the job well enough outside of those few situations, though. people ask me why I don't get an SUV (crossover) instead - wouldn't help, there isn't that much more space, just a bit of height and you can typically only stack stuff so high. and if you get into the actual SUVs, well jfc those things are huge I don't want or need that, also --> back to van
there are applications where a suburban or escalade makes sense, but it's not often
Yeah, I remember a co-worker of mine had to shop around forever and finally have a minivan shipped from out of state, because he and his wife researched and it came down to one model (Honda, I think?). Anyway, virtually everyone else wanted it, too, since it probably was top-rated by Consumer Reports or whatever, and local dealers were charging 5-10K in markup, or more.
So they are not necessarily cheap, especially for the ones others want, and they are not something that are going to get you laid, LOL. I definitely blame the boomers for starting that whole thing, though. For some reason it became a thing where lots of parents want to give the impression they....are not parents. I guess these people thought even though they had kids, they needed a cool car to pull tail? Or be the hawt MILF? What are these people even doing? They are parents! What is this denial bullshit?
For some reason, the very same people that will point and giggle at some older guy wearing a baseball cap and driving a Corvette because he's bald and who does he even think he is - will turn their nose up at driving a minivan even if they have several kids and spend their time in their vehicle carting kids around and getting groceries. No, they need something like an SUV, because....reasons. The same reasons they accuse the guy driving the Corvette of!
I was just searching around on cargo space vs. full-size SUVs, and at least in some cases, the minivan (Honda Odyssey) has more than at least some of the full-size SUV models. They definitely have more leg-room and head-room than full-size SUVs I've been in, when it comes to the second-row seats, anyway. I figure one of those behemoth Escalades might have something comparable, but I've not been in the back of one of those...
In what way?
just about every way
Except for AWD. I think the Pacifica does on higher trims, but Christler... Ew. And the Sienna Hybrid comes in AWD, but once again that's a more expensive/premium trim. In a place like Minnesota, I could see why the Pilot might make more sense. I say this as an owner and huge fan of my Honda Oddessey.
there are minivans with AWD
since you brought up that topic... AWD isn't nearly as much of a benefit as the average person thinks it is. winter tires and being a competent driver are far more effective and safer than something that helps you accelerate faster.
Yep, this is the answer. Slap winter tires on that puppy. AWD/4WD is way overrated as a general rule. Every car has all-wheel stop and things like AWD only tend to give people over-confidence in their traction that they might not really be able to rely on when it comes to stopping/turning.
At least for everyday driving in the snow.
not much funnier at the end of a ski day than seeing an AWD 4000lb brick sliding into a curb while a shitbox Golf that doesn't even come up to the SUV's windows climbs up the hill just fine
Exactly. Snow tires can cost a fair bit, especially if you pay for an extra set of wheels to go with it, but I've lost count of how many times I've seen a big truck or full-size SUV go skidding and it's most likely an over-confident driver that has all-seasons on there...they spent money on the wrong thing if they paid for a big vehicle to "handle the snow better".
And don't get me started on how many of these large cars I see flipped or otherwise stuck and abandoned along the highway when going into work the morning after it snowed the night before...not saying other cars with bald tires or all season aren't going to have similar struggles, but I think the large vehicles and vehicles with AWD give the inexperienced a sense of confidence they really should not have...and that makes a bad problem much worse.
the last few multi-hour highway drives I've had to make in bad weather (snow, ice) all had pickup trucks, and only pickup trucks, in the ditch lol
the other thing that people seem to forget about getting a second set of tires is that aside from the rims, there is no additional cost (assuming you change them yourself and have room to store them, which is a reasonable assumption for a large number of vehicle owners). I bought two new sets of tires five years ago and I'm still using both of them (I wfh and generally try to not drive much, though), hell my winters almost look brand new still because I drive so few km on bare pavement with them.
Yeah, this. Besides vehicles my parents had, I drove mostly two door or four door passenger vehicles and would get an extra set and swap them myself 2x a year. Now we have a truck and a minivan, and I do the same on these. The upfront cost is a bit more, but worth it and I can do it at the house w/o having to wait/schedule anything...
When driving the truck though I always remember it has much more weight than passenger vehicles and drive accordingly (slower), even though it has snow tires. Unless we get snow like a foot or higher that hasn't been plowed yet, the truck's clearance and 4WD is not really going to make much of a difference over the minivan, since they both have snow tires...
It's weird how many adults I talk to still assume we are going to drive the truck just because there is like half an inch on the ground, though. SMH. Except for certain tasks, I prefer the minivan - it fits extra people in it beyond our family if I need to haul them. It definitely has a much punchier feel - the acceleration is much better, it's much easier to park, gets great mileage, has awesome turning radius, less road noise, less bouncing as you go down the highway, don't have to be on the kids about whipping open the back doors into other parked cars, etc. And I haven't looked at the stats, but it probably is much safer in every measure, too. Lower rollover risk, doesn't have truck brakes, and better crumple zones.
Again, it's not even remotely cool. No one is going to accuse me of being a hipster when I'm driving that around. The truck is much cooler in my opinion and newer, LOL. Better sound system. But again, I am married and I'm a parent, so....I'm not trying to impress anyone.