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remember that NSA, FBI, DHS, and all the rest will have full access to every security camera covering every one of these events, and they're using AI to match faces to driver license photos. if your face is seen at one of these things, then you're on a list. that's not even counting people posting the shit to facebook
mask up. leave the phone at home.
There is a lot of good advice all up and down this thread, but this year please have a plan for defending or escaping home.
Assume it will happen. Have multiple escape routes. Be real about what tools and techniques work best for your abilities, skills, and risk profile.
With enough of us on "the list" it becomes a badge of honor. Pete Seeger would have been half the legend he was if not for McCarthy's blacklist.
I will not hide my objection.
I feel the same way. I would rather they know how many of us hate their fucking guts.
Burner phone if anything, and ALWAYS take public transit to protest events.
If you bring a burner you need to dispose of it before going home, see the recent article on 404 media about Webloc use by ICE where they can track every phone at a protest and see where it goes home
We back to printing directions then. We kinda need that cleanse as a society anyway.
We'll just have to station a GraphiteOS user at every street corner like a phone booth. Bring quarters.
What are they going to do, shoot us all in the head? If enough people get on board, it stops mattering.
Amazingly few people were shot in the head some Jan 6ths ago by all of those roof snipers in DC, while breaking into state buildings and killing a cop, hmm...
That's why you only ever have the burner phone turned on with the SIM in it while you are at an event and always turn it off/remove the SIM before you leave. Wrap it in foil also makes sure a signal can't be sent or received.
Another option is just a stand-alone video camera (I have one that's about half the size of a phone), or using a phone with no SIM and wifi off.
You mean to say one cannot simply throw away the SIM like in super-sleuth films?
Nah, it's like the Wire, you just snap the phone in half and throw it away.
Don't forget the flock cameras tracking your license plate
Flock needs to be banned but I'd have alot of respect for people if they started getting sabotaged.
Depends on what you expect to happen. If you think you could be arrested, leave it at home. If you just don't want to be caught in a mass surveillance event, airplane mode is fine. You might not even care if you're identified at something large and public like No Kings type events.
People need to be aware of their threat profile, but having a mobile video recording device and using it as part of an influence campaign is a valuable tool. Going to a candle lit vigil and recording a video of a bunch of somber people to make your MAGA mom feel something is a different event and risk than going with some bloc comrades to sabotage ICE vehicles.
I figure I’m going to a nonviolent protest in a blue state, and I’m white.
They’re as likely to already have my name on a list for participating in this thread.
good, the more people in that database, the better
Definitely leave phone at home and maskup
These are nonviolent protests though...?
The police are notorious for rioting at nonviolent protests.
Do you think because they are nonviolent protests you are not going into a Palantir database that is categorizing you based on Peter Thiel wanting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment and therefore trying to tee up global collapse so he can be a technofuedalist king who will not hesitate to just blacklist someone because they showed up for an event against the fascism he wants for himself? And at that point there are no laws to what "blacklist" means, even worse than "Deny, Deport, Disappear"?
I'm just suggesting living your life in the kind of fear op suggests would lead me to not even protest. They can put me in their database because I don't want to live in a world that is not only this bad but you can't even peacefully protest it.
I think a comment like that encourages people to stay home and we should definitely be doing the opposite. EVERYONE should be in that fucking database. Can't deport or kill everyone.
That makes sense, and my comment isn't to tell people not to protest, it's just to defend people being smart. This is game theory. Know what the opponent is doing. We hope for universal altruism and rational empathy but instead we have this, so people can be smart about protecting themselves while also protesting. Protesting is the altruism, but I would argue that "Can’t deport or kill everyone." could be worded as "I will kill or deport everyone who disagrees" and that is certainly not the first time in history someone has thought that and only through massive amounts of death and suffering has that been stopped during those moments, so hopefully we can get smarter about stopping it with less of that.
"Be afraid!"