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People on the right are saying that when he puts his phone down to pull out his gun that that's when he gets hit by the car. It's like they've forgotten every other video out there and assume this is bodycam footage so the camera moving automatically means he's getting hit. A lot of people are saying that the audio was tampered with too so I wouldn't be surprised if they added some sound effects to make it seem like he got hit full force.
The lack of critical thinking is honestly insane.
Its not lack of critical thinking.
It is motivated reasoning.
They're using their brains, they're using them to justify atrocities, by unmaking the atrocity into something else.
They're thinking critically, but without the concept of arriving at a conclusion that seems to make sense, they are instead doing it backwards; scrambling for narratives and lines of reasoning that avoid the obvious conclusion and obvious evidence.
... this is evil.
I literally cannot think of a better definition of evil then starting from knowing you are wrong and then doing everything you can to gaslight yourself and others into not thinking you are wrong.
The Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police or whatever they fuck their little piggy club is called, who issued a statement explicitly denying reality and reframing this as a PR problem for people who don't support the unwarranted first degree murder of civillians?
Literally evil.
These people are not redeemable, they are fundamentally broken, violent, dangerous sociopaths.
Police unions should not exist....you CANNOT enjoy the benefits of union membership whilst actively engaging in union busting.
They really are rejecting reality. We have other footage showing him barely getting brushed by it at a relatively low speed. He fires 2 more shots through the driver's side window and then calls her a bitch. It's damning and a jury will decide his fate.
The challenge right now is getting him in front of a jury.
Maybe someone will bring justice to him
Note that the moderator, whoever that is, did a Reddit. They couldn't handle a picture of Mario's brother. Fascist.
I’ve seen, well the mod can suck it
Fuck Ice Fuck fascist and fuck the online coward that enable them i hope the Disciple of Luigi get them all
It'll never happen. Not until MAGA is gone.
It doesn't need to, Minnesota submits warrants to ice, dhs, doj and the last three known addresses for the shooter and they've satisfied the in absentia exception and they can then complete a trial without him. If convicted he'll risk arrest and imprisonment and they can't leave the country, most other countries won't accept anyone with an active felony case let alone conviction and they'd probably enjoy the extradition.
The Vice President of the United States of America has literally said the ICE chud is owed a "debt of gratitude". That's after it was clear that he murdered someone.
And you think he won't be specifically protected as a signal to all other ICE chuds? The guy is set for life. They have to make sure he is. Otherwise it's going to be a lot harder to convince them to kill people when they're specifically asked to.
Yeah stupid people say stupid things, what exactly about that is new or surprising, moreover what does it change?
They can protect him from federal charges but not state ones or they would wipe state sovereignity and all the big guns and fun weapons are on the coasts.
What happens to this guy is going to set the time for how ice behaves from here on out.
Sure, I don't disagree but Peter theils bitch isn't in the know or calling the shots, he's just a loudmouth puppet.
For sure, it just highlights that clearly they know that they are going doing to have problems if their little goons think they might get held accountable for their actions.
In normal times I’d agree with you 100%.
But these are not normal times.
It would be difficult for them to pull off even now, tell a bunch of South shall rise again types that they're throwing states rights under the bus and suddenly they aren't on their side anymore.
You forget, it’s a cult.
He promises.
They spout it off, live it, love it.
He 180’s.
So do they.
Yes it is, and Confederate creeps are a much bigger much older cult.
Oh in that case let's not worry at all, everything is fine!
🙄
No one said that in fact I said just the opposite, don't be obtuse.
I'm saying he won't be brought to justice. You, as far as I can tell, are saying he will. Where am I getting mixed up here?
Let's start with being "brought to justice", that's a fairly vague concept. I said he could be convicted in absentia. Done, that's where your confused.
https://lemmy.world/comment/21464363
The start of the comment chain for reference.
Yeah I think you're right. Personally I don't see the justice in being convicted in absentia, on its own.
Well justice is a weird word to use. Morality is more consequential when talking about convictions and people often conflate the two.
It's justice it's just not particularly moral justice.
You think he'll be taken into custody? Lol!!!
The guy has the blessing of the White House, he's a hero.
And it's exactly that, that demonstrates we have finally crossed the Rubicon. Decent people with functioning brains can see this whole thing was unjustified, and that this is murder.
Yet social media is FULL of bootlickers blaming the victim. Most of them are bots and trolls.
But not all of them. And every one of those people? They're prospective ICE agents. In America or wherever American rules will be enforced going forward. Those are the only people they are creating a narrative for now.
Bottom line? These are not people who are even trying to win elections anymore......they are openly lying while challenging the status quo on every law, political precedent, etc they can manage. This is a significant change (they've lied plenty, but never this nakedly).
That change? They finally reached the point where they are confident they can do whatever they want now, and fully have the reins of power permanently.
Why are they rushing to hire ICE agents and throwing everything they can at enticing people to join up? While so obviously pandering to the exact people who would want to sign up?
I've been saying it for fucking months and months..... but we're getting close now. Just have to keep firing the top brass in the military (install puppets/ remove threat of coup), encouraging hazing and abuse in the military along with kicking out queer people (pander to right wing homophobes while skewing the military right wing by making the military hostile to "liberals"), spreading our military forces far and wide (Venezuela, go! Iran, go! Tomorrow Greenland, go!) and thin.....
Guess we'll see
You get a very very sad "LMAO" from me.
He'll never face a jury. The FBI cut local authorities out of the investigation and they're going to clear him especially since JD Fuckworth and Trump are fabricating the reality that ice has "absolute immunity."
:(
Fbi can cut local authorities out of federal investigations, but at the state level hes still guilty of murder
They already said they had to stop the investigation because they're being cut out of reviewing any evidence to form a case against him. They can't charge him of murder if they can't prove it wasn't just "self defense" :(
They have plenty of other evidence, such as the videos. They still can charge him.
Doesn't seem like they need much more than literal footage of him committing the crime that he posted himself.
Yeah I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say this guy will face no consequences whatsoever.
He will be judged by a Minneapolis jury. The same folks that convicted Chauvin.
These are the same people that say Jan 6 was peaceful despite hundreds of hours of video, thousands of photos, and witness testimony proving otherwise.
It's not a critical thinking issue (at least not this time). It's being willing to lie, cheat, and steal to get their way, no matter what.
Also there's a willingness of many to go along with a lie.
It's a big power move to say an obvious lie and have others have to say they believe the obvious lie.
Video and audio of the three shots from the other video is not in this cam video so yeah, it's been tampered with.
Considering this video was so quickly released, it's probably been whitewashed.
Since the only possible source for this video is the phone that we can literally see in the shooters hand in other videos it seems weird that he would alter his own video to make him look more guilty, doesn't it?
These guys really don't like having to think, do they?
The part between where he goes back to the drivers side (after the other officer tells her to get out) and when the car speeds forward after she is shot seems faster than the other videos I’ve seen. I’d like to see side by side comparisons of this and the other videos available, because I too feel that either the video or audio was tampered with.
The speed of the vehicle is believable. Corpses tend to have leaden feet and a lack of bodily control.
I meant the speed of the video, however I do appreciate your insight on why the car was moving so quickly after she was shot because I’ve found myself (morbidly) curious about that. I read that she died on the way to the hospital, although at this point so many of these details are still shaking themselves out so to speak.
Overall, I agree that something is off with the officer’s video, there’s a mismatch that I can’t quite put my finger on without seeing it side by side with the other angles that are available.
I can definitely believe something being doctored about it. Apparently the video was released by Vance or DHS, and those are NOT people I can credit with honesty.
Alternatively, it isn't edited...and the GOP genuinely believes it casts their cause in a good light. Which would speak to a complete lack of emotional intelligence, among other qualities that a decent human would possess.
EDIT: IIRC, an interview with the mayor of Minneapolis had him mentioning that Renee was still twitching around the time someone with medical training asked to tend to her, but was blocked by ICE. But even if she survived the gunshots while at the wheel, I very much doubt she would have been able to control the car.
Ask and ye shall receive:
https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3mbzglg3ids24
Thank you so much, Guy! I think one or two of the shots got muffled in the killer’s posted video, because the timelines appear to be matched based on these side by sides. This is exactly what I was looking to confirm.