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[–] Wander@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I watched a documentary in New Zealand about fish stocks. It was talking about how the fish around New Zealand are overfished and numbers are low. Had experts talking about issues with boats and how they need no fishing areas. They had Maori on there talking about how much abundance of fish there was before the white people came. They talked about how in tune the Maori were with the land and had ways to manage stock.

The documentary finished saying the issue is still ongoing and not enough has been done. Didn't really go into why.

Well I looked it up after the majority of fishing companies are owned by the Maori and the reason the scientifically justified areas were not set as a sanctuary was because the Maori didnt agree and wanted to do things there own way that would allow them to fish at levels higher than what the science was saying is possible. On this matter New Zealand cared more about what Maori incorrectly believed over what the scientific evidence was saying to them.

People need to get off their high horse. People suck all over the world. Yea shock the people that live in mountains which remain untouched because it is shit farmland is going to have the most nature. But go to other countries and you see it's the same, well worse than white countries. Places like UK has had protected land for hundreds of years. They set up protected land in the new places they went. Areas they left like Malaysia and India are full of rubbish and monoculture. They didn't get better. Go to Indonesia and look at their beautiful islands. The tour guide said to us "look no littering sign. Only in Indonesian. Westerners don't litter but the locals do".

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

no littering sign. Only in Indonesian

Not really related, but in Japan, I came across a monolingual sign that said: "In Japanese culture, it is considered impolite to piss in public".

Westerners don’t litter but the locals do

Have you not seen how westerners behave on vacation? Maybe you got lucky, but there's a reason the tourist part of nearly every city has the most litter

[–] Wander@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Japanese are better than the westerners I'm not denying that.

Probably because thats where the most people are.

When you go to Asia most people are locals. Even driving through areas buses and trains don't stop the amount of trash is monumental.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Probably because thats where the most people are.

No, they're often less dense and smaller than residential areas, and more walkable, but they attract people who don't give a shit because they're in a mindset where they don't give a shit. They require a lot more cleaning too.

When you go to Asia

Already there. Also you should be more specific, EA and even Central Asian countries are reasonably clean. When you're talking about places with monumental amounts of trash, you mean SEA and India, and even there, lots of places aren't like that.

Places that are a bit more affluent tend to have the resources to dedicate to keeping the streets clean. Westerners on vacation don't have an excuse.

The Japanese are better than the westerners

Maybe, in cities, but there's a bit of a littering problem in more rural areas and in rivers. Also in the poorer areas of cities.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 days ago

It's not cultural, it's moral and intelligence-related

As with all good vs bad discussions...

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

India is full of monoculture

India has 120 languages

[–] CybranM@feddit.nu 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I assume they mean crops not cultures

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 2 points 3 days ago

Well that's silly. England is full of monoculture fields too, and India has plenty of wild areas. I bet they only looked at the touristy areas and assumed the whole country is like that.