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I'm tired of people pretending they are smart and problem solving by by mass murdering most humans on the planet and stopping procreation.
You don't solve a jigsaw puzzle by putting 10 pieces together and burning the rest so you dont have to deal with them.
Absoluetely no one is promoting this. I hear this bullshit argument every time degrowth comes up, but this has NOTHING to do with degrowth and is a bad faith argument full of too many fallacies to mention.
Then you should doublecheck who you have arguing on your side and who you stand with. You can pump your chest you do not personally stand for this but the practice attracts those that are more physically minded than you.
Degrowth sides with eugenics, racists, and psychopaths. Just cause you think it would save the world to make less lives does not leave it without those that will find horrible ways to make it reality as there is not other practical way to make it happen.
Nope. That just a deliberate mischaracterization driven by those who have a stake in growth and consumption.
You could be called a nazi for no reason too, it doesn't discredit the ideas, its just meaningless noise. "Discredit by association" is what you are doing and it's a popular trick by disinformation agents. Are you the agent or the useful idiot who fell for it?
Degrowth is very clearly and unequivocally a moral and ethical plan to right size humanity to where its ecological footprint can be carried sustainably by the earth. No technological miracle hail marys required. No deaths, no racism, no deprivation or suffering or state sponsored goonsquad progroms. Just shrink until you fits where you sits.
Yeah thats what I thought.
So excited by who "degrowth" hurts that you dont care about reality.
And trump supporters aren't racist or fascist they just want cheap oil.
Good luck getting everyone to shrink without the reality of how that would be enforced. Enjoy your dreams that absolve you of reality because they make you feel better. I won't sit at this table any longer.
I don't know who taught you critical thinking or degrowth, but they failed. This is hard bigot nonsense.
You dont know what bigot means, just like you dont consider what you want will require. I disagree with you and what you think is right.
Ok, I'm not gonna ask how you force a world to stop having children and rapidly reduce the population.
Its not an ice cream flavor and you are appeasing your ideology with something harmless to make it sound better than it is.
I actually do consider critically what kind of people would rise to a society that pushes this on others. I disagree with it and I'm gonna stop responding cause you are just fighting out an argument to defend your honor and your perceived morality rather than think critically yourself.
Force? Take a moment to step out of your body and listen to the nonsense you are saying. Lol! Have you seen birthrates around most of the world? I have to do exactly ... nothing! It's already happening. Ta-da!
Some public relations and education around the purpose and benefits of degrowth would be helpful, but it is entirely voluntary. If someone wants to have 10 children, that's their choice, but they should have no illusions to the world their children will be raised in. That is part of the education.
All children born have equal rights and are taken care of by the state, community and families, even the family with 10 kids. Support for family planning and abortion services should be frictionless, but that's the norm already in civilized countries. It's the shithole countries you have to worry about. Trade blocs of degrowth countries can encourage them with trade rules, aid and sanctions.
Most state subsidies would have to go to redirecting the economy to brace for an aging population then a smaller steady state economy. We have to build the world of the future for the smaller civilization to endure. We need leaders who have a clear vision of what sustainability actually looks like.
This means efficient quality housing (passivehouse) built in walkable cities with extensive public transit. Everything powered by renewables. With less mouths to feed, marginal agricultural lands can be rewilded. There is a principle in ecology that you can save 80% of species by protecting 50% of the land. This is almost easy with a small population. With a large and growing population hoping for a technical miracle breakthrough hail mary, it's a death sentence.
Also, agricultural techniques can adapt to environmentally sustainable models like permaculture and silvopasture and alleycropping thus rebuilding soils, retaining moisture and soil carbon amd biological activity. This is not currently possible because our population exploded based on monoculture dependent on pumped groundwater from rapidly depleting aquifers, pesticides that are poisoning humans and wildlife and the plastic packaging meant to maximize short term yields. A world where climate change is a major factor, the loss of major breadbaskets when aquifers run dry at the same time as a drought will guarentee millions and millions of deaths by poverty and famine and conflict over remaining resources.
Degrowth says that when these inevitable things happen, do you want a large population to discover there is no room for them on a dying planet, or do you want a small population who can life full healthy meaningful lives restoring the biosphere we broke.
Manufacturing is already being automated, and so is defense. The economy doesn't want youth for this type of work and with drones and ai it's only accelerating. Automation and social services will be big employers, as will the infrastructure projects that will bring a sustainable population to light.
Do you want your kids and your nations youth building a sustainable future for mankind, or do you want them dying from pollution, famine and war?
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