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Jonathan Ross was dragged in a separate incident last year by a fleeing driver, according to court records.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Is it so scary to say "killed"?

[–] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's what "fatally" means? Not sure there's that much of a semantic gap between "fatally shot" and "killed" other than the former actually explains how it was done.

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (3 children)

You're right. It should say "murdered".

[–] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 11 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I'd agree that would be an improvement on the headline.

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We say murder and it's understood as people talking about what happened. When a news outlet says murder it's considered reporting a legal conviction. There are good reasons why these conventions exist. And it's the same as why headlines weren't saying Luigi Mangionr murdered Brian Thompson.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

You bet there were. There were many that also just said shot/shooting. Many non-US western outlets are using killed/killing in the headline. US outlets use a mixture of language even within the same outlet, or won't have it in the outline but will have it in the text. Here's a title from CBS https://youtu.be/HSKaceREFlQ

I'm not saying there isn't an overall bias towards distancing law enforcement from killings from words that carry negative connotations--there is. I was adding context to how "murder" is used in media and now I'm suggesting that some major outlets see what's going on and are calling it what it is directly within the bounds of good journalism.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

At least it wasn't "woman who died after an altercation with ICE".

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Way better than how a lot of the mainstream would report this. They'd say something like "Officer involved in shooting exposed by hackers"