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What do we call the career bureaucrats who remained working in Nazi Germany? (infosec.pub)

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Nina spitting truths as always. She's on fire recently, so follow her if you're not doing so already.

To be clear; everyone working in my government, particularly after today, is a Nazi, or someone who works for Nazis. Do you know what we call people who worked for the Nazis, in the Nazi government? Yes, that is correct, Nazis.

So Machado is certainly not gonna feel lonely on the list of people on my TV who are definitely Nazis.

Oh, was that too harsh? Are you feeling bad for the good career civil servants, working for the literal fucking Nazis, who I have just impuned? Cool, let's refer back to that part where I said I was surrounded by people who openly recognize that this is fascism, and ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY refuse to accept what that actually means.

We call people, who worked for the Nazi Party, in the Nazi government, Nazis. Nobody says "the Nazi government and the career civil servants who hated them but stayed."

"They'll just find someone else."

Then let them. "I took the job at the concentration camp because I was sure Hitler would find someone else" was not a good defense in court last time, and it won't be this time either.

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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There were also Nazi soldiers who didn't want to be there. Like they were told their families would be killed along with the Jews if they did not fight for the Fatherland. They don't get sympathy. It seems like it's an all-or-nothing thing with fascism (on both sides, actually, being for them or against them). So yes, OP likely means the school teachers as well. I don't like that, but we can't really say at this point whether they were teaching good things or bad ones (e.g. state sponsored).

Like teachers in America today being told that they can't teach that it's okay to be Hispanic, Black, or LGBTQ+. Some of them probably still are. Some of them are not. It's hard to know how the numbers actually fall though. But the ones who are teaching hate to children absolutely do deserve to be lumped in with the rest of the movement, by the same logic.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

The two-dollar term is "moral luck."

[+] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

they were told their families would be killed along with the Jews if they did not fight for the Fatherland.

Yep and so they choose to be Nazis.

The nuance you're looking for doesn't exist.

If you were told to rape and murder an 8 year old or you and your family dies, what would you do? Either you're dead or a child rapist and child murderer. There's not some gray area there.

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Good thing teaching children is not the same as raping and killing them.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Right, so you're saying the teachers are complicit. I'm saying that's how the logic works. You either take it or leave it. I'm not disagreeing with the OP, I'm clarifying for someone.

If you don't agree with me, that's not as clear.

Anyway, it's all ethics. So in your example, you have one 8 year old who you have to kill. (What you do to them doesn't really matter, except in how it'll fuck up your own memories and dreams and whatnot. But as far as the ethical scales are concerned, your impact to the universe is you killed 1 child. And maybe others know it, maybe they don't — you didn't specify. Now, if you weigh that against just your partner being killed, maybe you've been married a long time, you're both getting up there. You sacrifice yourself and your partner for this one child, as you should. But, what if your family includes three children about the same age? Then you have the classic trolley problem. Your inaction results in the death of the three children (plus whatever other family members). Your cruel action results in the death of one child. There is no easy answer, which is why the trolley problem continues to test people. Personally, my answer to the trolley problem is the inaction — you do nothing, more people die, you blame the trolley. You could have saved them, but by doing nothing, you didn't do a bad thing, you just didn't do a good thing and a bad thing. Ethically I think it's the right call. Not everybody agrees.