THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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That’s a negatory there too.
Keep in mind that a lot of states have had their districts redrawn in such ways that make it so the Republicans will win, and the courts have upheld these illegally drawn maps in one manner or another.
In other words, while the system is working as intended, the intention is not what the majority wants. It’s rigged so the “house” always wins.
That doesn't matter when voting for president. Trump won both the electoral votes and the popular vote. The people quite literally did vote for this. However, I don't think many of Trump's voters actually believed he would do this and be as cruel about it as he has been.
Not sure why you're being downvoted, you're right. Trump won both the electoral and popular votes in 2024.
It was a plurality, and not nearly as much of a landslide as the electoral map and Trump will have you thinking it was, but he won.
The states are borderline gerrymandered in and of themselves, but that doesn't matter for the popular vote totals.
Right. You can make the argument that the electoral college is an out of date system and he should have lost in 2016. I would even whole heartedly agree with you. In 2024 there really wasn't any controversy that the DNC didn't inflict on themselves.
People might be disagreeing with me when I say that some or maybe even most Trump supporters don't approve of how he is using ICE. I think national polling shows that to be true though. Yes they wanted to kick out the undocumented, but I don't think they realized how bad the action of it was going to be. It was something that sounded good to them in theory and then a lot of them have come to regret it after seeing it in practice.
This whole 'not us' is just a convenient way to wash your bloody hands. You all got him in power, you all keep him in power.
it doesnt matter for senate, or presidential elections. voter suppression is whats really killing the DEM votes in the red states.
Voting is only an expression of intent, not an actual action of improvement.
Gerrymandering or not, the voting system doesn't prevent you from sidestepping its obvious failures and taking the country back by force.
(As the saying goes, "if voting actually helped things, they'd have outlawed it by now")
What I meant wasn't that it's true, but that maybe that's what the commenter is saying happened.