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I still wonder Jonestown was a hostage situation and the members of the cult were coerced at gunpoint to drink poison to avoid being tortured to death by the CIA.
No, it was a cult.
Everything you know about them you learned from the government.
I learned what cults were from the 6 years of religious school I went to. According to literal classes I took on cults, Trumpism is a cult.
Sure, but I never said otherwise. Do you think I'm a Trump supporter?
No, everything I learned came from private enterprise.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to get to sleep at night.
You sound like a government plant stranger. I’m going to listen to myself, not your lunacy.
Did you listen to the recordings? Sounded more like a hostage situation than people expecting to be raptured.
Nice try dude, go spook someone else.
There's no sand here. You'll have to go elsewhere if you want to bury your head.
If you told me grass is safe, I’d wear shoes.
You must be a republican.
Most republicans love their government, I don’t trust it. Read into that what you will.
Republicans only love power. They only love government when they're in control of it.
Which given your actions you clearly seem to think you do. Bugger off.
We might have a conversation if you'd stop talking to your fantasies of me.
I don’t have conversations with government actors. I call them out again and again until they move on to their next operation.
What faction of government do I work for in your fantasy? Am I an FBI drone or a cool CIA spy?
Does it matter? I don’t need details to know I can’t trust you. You talk like the state.
Doesn’t matter, what matters is calling you out every time. If I hadn’t wounded you, you would have stoped responding a long time ago. You are defensive because you’ve been cornered.
I didn't learn about Jonestown from the government. You're staying to sound a bit like a cultist yourself.
Who did you learn about it from? Where did they get their information?
If there's insufficient evidence of your theory, in both quantity and quality, then it isn't rational to believe it.
Ditto. If the source of your information is the sworn enemy of all competing cultures, you have no information
For anyone following along, this is 100% what propaganda tries to do. Tells you not to trust anyone but them, tells you everyone but them lies. This is classic state actor behavior.
I didn't tell anybody to trust me. I'm telling you to question your own cult of authority. If you think the US is any different than any other cult, it's because you're brainwashed.
A demonstrable lie. I don’t trust government actors.
Yet you accept the Jonestown story uncritically.
I reject your story. I don’t trust the government.
False dichotomy. My alternative version of events comes from lack of trust in the government's narrative.
Yeah, sure dude. Then why do are you arguments ring of being a government actor?
I don’t see any dichotomy here. You just work for the state.
In hospice, we call what you're going through the denial, bargaining, and anger stages of grief. The truth is, you have no logical way to counter my proposal.
That which is present with with lies needs no truth to dismiss. I trust my fellow citizens, not you.
Do you get a lot of input from your fellow citizens? Do they all pull from the same sources of information? Do they ever approach that information with a critical eye, or do they blindly defend what they think they know like you do?
They just don’t trust people like you. Simple as that.
They only know their fantasy of me and the fact that I question their perception of reality. Nothing more.
They know your a state actor. They don’t need to know anything else.
It was, in fact, a cult. The only people you could reasonably assume were "hostages" were the children that were forced to drink cyanide because they didn’t understand what was happening. You can hear them on the recording.
There were people who left Jonestown that spoke about the practice sessions. Most people were not in any way forced to drink it because they were brainwashed.
You can actually hear a lot of people crying, not just the children. You've heard it was a cult, but all that information was filtered through the US government.
It's really convenient that you can simply refuse any information as it being from the government with no proof because it allows you to never be wrong.
It's really convenient that you can simply accept any information from the government with no proof because it allows you to never be wrong.
Right, but you never said anything about the people that left Jonestown who talked about their experience. Were they government agents?
Nothing from this Times article conflicts with my alternative narrative. In fact, it supports the idea that they were rounded up and exterminated. Maybe Jim Jones was in on it, or maybe he was a hostage too.
https://time.com/6120017/jonestown-massacre-survivors/
So, which part of that article suggests the CIA forced them to drink poison?
It doesn't name the CIA. It does suggest they were rounded up by some kind of enforcers against their will. I was asked about the perspective of the survivors. I answered that the only conflict I see the common belief that they killed themselves willingly.