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never, have I ever heard anything bad about Diogenes, and the more I learn about Socrates and Plato, the less I like them.
Fuck Plato and Socrates and everything they stood for.
Too sober to elaborate if asked. just look at why exactly was Socrates on trial. not the reason Plato says, but the actual reason.
You've never heard that Diogenes was a nudist and known for wanking in public? Or possibly even bestiality?
Also, I wonder what you think Socrates was on trial for. He called a lot of standard assumptions into question, and was called impious by the political/religious elite. They didn't like how he was educating people to think rationally instead of believing whatever they're told to believe, so they charged him with "corrupting the youth."
It's comparable to magas today going after public school teachers or college professors, because they teach "science" and other works of the devil.
A lot of people criticize Plato without really understanding him. They think he wanted a rationalist theocracy but that's missing the point entirely. He was against anti-intellectualism in a society that worshipped incestuous gods.
Also, Plato and Socrates made extensive use of elenchus and aporia, deliberately emphasizing the limitations of human knowledge. Instead of asserting what they believed to be true, they would use a series of questions to get their counterparts to examine their own beliefs, while identifying inconsistencies and irrational conclusions.
Their main thing was to point out how much of what people believe they "know," are actually assumptions based on societal conditioning.
Nwm, lost my vote.
Do you disagree with something I said? It's totally fine if you do, but it would contribute more to the discussion if you said what and why
Oh, I commented somewhere that I would vote for Diogenes.
Your first sentence changed my mind.
Oh, I see. I was missing some context.
Yeah, Diogenes is very quotable and had some good points, but not exactly someone to emulate...