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    [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I am convinced that Ubuntu/GNOME is the main reason that Linux onboarding has taken so long and has been so slow.

    I never knew KDE Plasma and other Windows-like desktop environments existed until Valve released the Steam Deck.

    [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Kububtu (Ubuntu with KDE) has been an official Ubuntu flavour almost aince the beginning. During the Ubuntu consensus years, it was being promoted along with Ubuntu for every release.

    It's totally cool you learned about it from Valve but that doesn't mean people were oblivious about KDE in the 2000s and 2010s.

    [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Sure, but it hasn't been well promoted by the community or by Canonical. Otherwise I would have seen it a long time ago.

    [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    Respectfully disagree. Have been following many Ubuntu releases over the years, Ubuntu blogs and news sites, and the official flavours have always been showcased, talked about, major features discussed and so on.

    Also switching between flavours has always been trivial even post-installation. I used to test-drive KDE on Ubuntu installs and GNOME on Kubuntu installs in the 2000s and early 2010s.

    [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Do you seriously expect new users to keep up with Ubuntu blogs, news sites and stuff like that? New users don't even know what a flavor is. New users are not that involved in the eco system. Just because you have seen it that doesn't mean it's widely known.

    This right here is one of the problems with old Linux users trying to recruit new users.

    [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    In 2012 when Ubuntu was the default choice, new users were instantly told what flavours are and what the three options were and why they should choose one over another. The info was also straight on Ubuntu.com where you downloaded the install media from. The problem you're imagining did not exist.

    E: Also I'm not trying to recruit new users therefore I'm not demonstrating my recruitment prowess. I'm having a discussion about the historical context of Ubuntu and Kubuntu/KDE. I've successfully converted many laymen users to Ubuntu who still use it to this day. I've converted whole teams to Ubuntu professionally over the years too. I know what it takes to do either.

    [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

    Weird that I don't see any mention of KDE or Kubuntu on the 2012 Ubuntu website then.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120427110552/https://ubuntu.com/

    [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Oh. In 2012 they didn't have a simple direct download link to whatever the main one they were pushing at the time was, to reduce analysis paralysis for new users?

    [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

    In 2012 they had no mention of Kubuntu or KDE on the official Ubuntu homepage and downloads page. Same for the Canonical website. I checked both in April and October of 2012 on the Wayback Machine.

    [–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 week ago

    In the 00s, it was a different thing. KDE3, now forked as Trinity, seems much more solid and easy. Would be cool if more distros pushed it instead of the heavier more-fiddly KDE since KDE3.