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Why do this? There's millions of legal age men who would love to start a family with this crazy woman. Why did she rape kids?
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/former-maths-teacher-rebecca-joynes-banned-from-teaching-after-grooming-two-school-boys/news-story/0fe2070f15e4694d585491d7ea183cdb
One kid was 15, the other 16.
She was 30 or 31.
... the answer is because she's a groomer, a pedophile, by how those terms are generally used.
She gets off on the power imbalance, she gets off on manipulating and exploiting those who don't and can't reasonably be expected to know better.
She either wouldn't prefer to be or just couldn't be in a relationship with someone on an equal playing field.
She's a sexual predator, the kind you'd stereotypically call Chris Hansen to investigate.
She’s a pedophile, that’s why.
We don't get to choose who and what we are attracted to. 🤷🏻♂️ However, that does not absolve one of immoral actions.
... Imagine saying this regarding a male teacher aged 30/31 who groomed a 15 year old and 16 year old student, and got the 15 year old student pregnant.
(This woman got pregnant by the 15 yo student she groomed... and she had that child.)
"Oh I dunno, I guess some people are attracted to kids! 🤷 Its a bad thing to do though."
What the fuck.
No, its a lot more than just a bad thing, merely immoral actions. Its three innocent lives massively damaged, thrown off course, poetentially fucked up for life, because of the manipulative and selfish actions of a person in a position of trust and authority absuing that trust and authority.
And yeah its three lives, not two, because there's no way this doesn't massively negatively affect the life of her baby.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/former-maths-teacher-rebecca-joynes-banned-from-teaching-after-grooming-two-school-boys/news-story/0fe2070f15e4694d585491d7ea183cdb
... this woman is a serial sexual predator, who pursued the second relationship after being investigated for the first one and more or less getting away with a slap on the wrist.
Thats not just 'immoral actions', it's basically downright evil, which, according to the judge of the most recent trial, was carried out with "breathtaking gall" and "astonishing arrogance."
Downplaying the magnitude of how fucked up this is, is itself fucked up.
"MAP" type excusatory bullshit, fuck off. Pedophilia is not a sexuality because "child" is not a sex or gender expression.
I don't understand how that comment was excusing anything. They explicitly said that it was inexcusable.
Yeah, but prefaced it by saying you can't help who or what you're attracted to. Right out of the MAP playbook. The thoughts and attraction in itself is a problem and requires counselling because "children" are not a sexuality. You can and should help what you're attracted to when that what is a child! If you're having suicidal thoughts, you should see a counsellor. If you're having thoughts about harming others, you should see a counsellor. If you're having thoughts about diddling kids, you. should. see. a. counsellor.
No one's disagreeing that it's wrong and needs to be addressed. The disagreement is on whether pedophiles get to choose who they're attracted to. This is an important distinction because firstly, the origin of their thoughts/actions determines the course of action necessary to keep it in check. Second, shaming someone for something they can't control is one of the most effective ways of discouraging treatment. Third, that wasn't a preface. It was the answer to the question they responded to.
Regarding suicidality: I believe that the approach of stigmatizing and criminalizing was often taken in the past and found to be ineffective. I've been seeing a big movement towards more open dialogue and encouraging treatment in the past decades.
And I'm disagreeing that pedophiles can't help their feelings. This dialogue only occurs because of the recent conflation between sexuality and pedophilia. I've always been of the opinion that they need to see a professional, and that needs to be a non-negotiable. I reject any conversation on their feelings being a choice because as evidenced in this thread, people conflate ideas that apply to sexuality to pedophiles. I just responded to someone who accused me of arguing for conversion therapy. It's pedophilia, it needs to stay stigmatised because of how huge the consequences are if they act on it.
I think you and shalafi might be using different definitions of "gets to choose". Using a depressed person as an analogy since I think this is better understood: You don't get to choose to be happy, but you can choose to take steps towards getting help so that you can better manage it. It sounds like they're talking about the former while you're talking about the latter.
Similarly with stigmatization. It's one thing to stigmatize acting on your suicidal ideation. It's another to stigmatize having suicidal ideation in the first place.
Do you accept that people can prefer partners older or younger than them? If so, do you really think that's something that can be dealt with by some kind of "conversion therapy"?
Bizarre equivalencies here. Firstly, regardless of my personal beliefs on large age gaps, those are consenting adults. You're equating them to children. Children are not consenting adults, it is a problem if you feel sexual attraction to them. Same thing with animals. They cannot consent. You have some really messed up ideals if you're equating psychiatry and therapy, especially modern-day versions of them, to conversion therapy forced onto gay people. This is exactly why I called it excusatory MAP bullshit because you go right down this slippery slope. Being sexually attracted to children is not a sexuality.
What does consent have to do with attraction?
If there is a conscious being that cannot consent, object, or otherwise appropriately respond to one's attraction, then that attraction should not be held onto. Ways should be explored to move past that attraction, whether they be through counselling or self reflection.
Nonononono NO.
Child rape teachers are knowingly taking advantage of social trust in order to exploit kids. Absolutely nothing in the ball park of "pedos can't help it". Rape is not a kink, fetish or identity, it's a selfish, harmful, devastating crime with decades of repurcussions.
Please, I implore you to please never use this type of LGBTQIA acceptance language for pedophila. Child rapists are light-years away from two queer consenting adults and conflating the two only harms the innocent.
When discussing attraction to children is the cope of pedophiles. I don't buy this shit.
You're trying to make space for pedos by weaponizing queer acceptance. Fucking stop it.
Gross. "map" is just pedo apologia.
No, and no, Fuck you and fuck your pedo friends trying to pretend that your predation on children is anything near the same thing as queer acceptance. You're sick and actively doing harm to LGBT communities and acceptance by trying to equivocate the two. Having a kink for raping kids isnt a sexuality, quit pretending that it is.
"MAP" is not a part of queer communities or cultures, stop trying to make that the case. First off we need to stop softening the language around them and call them pedophiles, because that's what they are, whether they act upon it or not. They should seek therapy because sexual attraction to children is not an acceptable part of society.
It is important to mind the language we use and how it affects things and people. Softening language around pedophilia does not serve a better society. I agree that society is harsh on pedophiles. It is rightfully so, because the consequence of acting on these thoughts is massive for the other. Harshness is necessary because these thoughts should be treated as vile, repulsive, and something to get rid of. It is tricky to approach seeking help with something perceived as repulsive, but pedophiles can take solace that counsellors are confidential, trained professionals who will refer them to someone else if they cannot handle the subject.
Map is a term meant to abstract and soften the language around what they are. They're pedophiles. Why are you so adamant on defending pedophiles? That's pedo behavior. Learn the lesson.
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