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It contradicts all of Proton's advertising... They continue to convey a different impression; even though they provide such data, they still advertise with certainty, etc...
Edit: I almost forgot... Back when this kind of thing was leaked (yes, leaked, not shared by them), I exchanged a few words with them (I am a customer, after all), and they denied everything and demanded proof... Nevertheless, I'm still with them because they're still among the least bad.
READ THE THREAT MODEL FFS
Link, for most of the people in this thread surprised that Proton does what it's pretty clear in saying they'll do.
And people getting into trouble for using proton for stuff they are saying not to do.
https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model
I just want a low cost VPN to get around in-state censorship and the occasional bit of piracy. I'm not running a Wikileaks fork or trying to do OpSec for The Revolution.
If you're spinning up your own version of Silk Road, maybe consider a home lab instead of relying on untrusted third parties.
Mullvad
No it doesn't contradict their advertising. They've been completely open about this the entire time.
And they're not providing anything other than account details per the infographic. Account data remains encrypted
It's on you if you thought a business would break the law for you.
No, they weren't ALWAYS open about the issue (changed 2021). Aren't they advertising themselves as safe? That contradicts it! The right advertising would have been to say it's safe until the government comes... That would have been honest.
I'll go through my emails later and hope I didn't delete them back then. But now I'm going to lie down for a bit.
It is safe; your data is still encrypted. They only provide account metadata.
You're confusing privacy with anonymity.
Edit: and furthermore, Proton does have the ability for you to set up your account anonymously. You can use a burner recovery email and pay with Bitcoin.
Funnily enough, the answer is no longer available. I wasn't arguing against encryption. Rather, I was arguing against its occurrence. Although I don't trust Proton 100% not to have a key.
So, BTC is not anonymous, and buying it is linked to data. BTC is also nice in the blockchain. I always preferred Paysafe card, but you can't get that anonymously anymore either.
But now I'm particularly concerned that their response has disappeared.
But it was sometime around June 21, 2019, when it came out (I think because a US citizen was arrested.) that they were working with states. To date, they have not published this themselves.
Incidentally, I'm not saying that you shouldn't use Proton. It's still one of the best on the market, but you shouldn't blindly trust them.
At that time (begin of proton ), Switzerland was also still a haven for tax evaders, etc. Back then, they worked secretly with the government... There was no obligation yet.
ProtonMail removed “we do not keep any IP logs” from its privacy policy 2021 (at this time cause a french activist) 😊
Is there any information about what kind of data they shared?
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to bother with this thread anymore or provide any sources.
https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model
I don't believe it because Proton has been proven to have lied extensively in the past. That aside, I've had enough of this thread. I've said enough. Either people take note or they ignore it. I don't care either way.