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Aye, I owned both. Got an LCD when it first came out and bought an OLED when they came out. Treat yourself, in all situations of visual screens OLED is better.
On the other hand, the LCD is perfectly fine.
Its perfectly ok. The OLED runs cooler, brighter, and better battery life. Don't get me wrong when I got the led steamdeck when it first came out I played it more than my gaming PC. Steam deck is awesome but if you can manage the few bucks more always go OLED. I literally sold the LED at a steep discount and bought the OLED and dont regret it.
Disagree on the oled thing. Oled is better in a lot of cases, specially if everything on the screen is constantly changing. However, for a computer that will be displaying the taskbar 70% of the time its not ok. Oled burn in is a thing
Auto hide the taskbar, burn your wallpaper instead. Oled burn is really is much less of an issue these days thanks to better panels and pixel shifting tech.
I have a folder of backgrounds they switch every hour just for this reason.
But I hardly ever see them with full screen apps anyway and app/spaces switching with gestures is like second nature. Like having a laptop with 4-5 monitors.
Is pixel shifting a thing on Linux? The Steam UI too?
Pixel shifting is done entirely on the monitors firmware nowadays, no OS intervention necessary.
Oh niiice. I wonder why Samsung still does AOD shifting on their Android roms then?
Phones usually don't do pixel shifting since they lack the extra pixels on the edge to shift the content around.
Oh, that's a lot of really cool info to know. Thanks!
To quote Rtings:
Even if your task bar is on 70% of the time, you're not going to see any significant burn-in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot1gr-YypY4&t=208
Every Android phone I've owned with an OLED screen (including modern ones) have had burn-in (or rather, burn-out) problems, specifically with the status bar.
If I had a choice, I would still be using LCDs on phones.
Also on TVs with modern backlighting technology, LCDs are remarkably close to OLEDs in terms of picture quality.
Phone AMOLED screens are entirely different beasts compared to QD-OLED/WOLED on TVs and monitors.
Phone OLEDs are much more dense, run much hotter and brighter, most also lack pixel shifting and many even pixel refreshing.
I also had some severe burn-in on phones.
Really? That's interesting, because I've never noticed burn-in on any of my OLED phones, even though I did use them for many years each. But then again, I've always wondered why seemingly nobody talks about burn-in on phones, while there is a lot of fuzz being made around it on computer monitors.
I actually just checked this on my Pixel 7 the other day. I have no noticeable burn in, not even in the status bar, except for the pill at the bottom of the screen. I've had the phone for almost three years.
Right? Even just turning off the screen every day is good enough for the life of the screen.
What kind of time frame were they testing over? Not seeing any significant burn in means something completely different if they're testing for one year versus ten, especially for people who don't like replacing things that aren't totally unusable yet.
A lot of people have done burn in tests on the OLED, and it's barely a concern. The tech has really improved.
Since you said 'the oled' i assume you mean the steam deck oled. Im not denying its bad, on contrary. Steam deck is a device that is constantly changing whats displayed. Thats good to prevent burn in on any device. The guy said oled is always better, which is what i disagreed with. Ive seen enough phones and computers monitors that were oled that had the windows taskbar, or android status bar, burned in over the years cause its a static thing. Like any display, burn in is possible but dont underestimate oled on burn in
Even then, the concerns are way way way waaaaaay overblown.
Hardware unboxed have been purposely trying to burn in an OLED for thousands of hours, and it's still barely perceptible even when you're trying to look for it by taking a picture of the screen then applying filters to make it more visible. In real world usage its effectively impossible.
With any modern OLED display, burn in is something you don't need to worry about.
Ehhh, it's still a thing. I had burn in on my S9, and I babied that thing explicitly to prevent burn in. And that was after 4-5 years. My desktop monitors are nearly a decade old starting next year (wow, 1440p still has amazing staying power).
I'd definitely worry about burn-in if you have Teams open for nine hours a day and the taskbar on. It's crazy to me that phones still burn in from casual use. :/
I didn't say it's not a thing, I said it's not something you really have to worry about with modern displays.
And yet, the testing seems to show that's not an issue.
I've not had a single phone that's suffered burn in.
Regardless, I'd trust someone who reviews displays for a living over my own anecdote.
I have a Phillips evnia ultrawide that has accumulated over 6000 hours SOT over the last year and a half, over 3k of that was playing RuneScape 3. You have to turn the brightness down to 10% and be on a flat grey screen to even see the beginning of burn in. It's really a non issue, even in "torture" scenarios like getting 200m mining xp on the screen full time.
I used an OLED tv as my computer monitor for over 2 years. Never had any burn in.
This is a steam deck, a game console, not a normal computer. If your taskbar is visible 70% of the time I question what you're doing with the device.
Man and it's so much less hot, less heavy
Makes you wonder why Nintendo decided to make the base Switch 2 model LCD
Because it's cheaper to make and allows them to release an OLED version at a premium later.
I figured but it just feels like a nuisance for many of us
Well, it seems to be a huge improvement over the LCD screen on the OG Switch so there's that. Besides, an OLED hardware revision isn't a given by any means, it's just speculation.
I had a lcd switch and bought an oled switch when it came out and again oled is always the hands down choice. I didnt get a Switch 2 because it wasnt oled.
I can replace my LCD with an OLED, right?
There are aftermarket mods to upgrade to a 1080p OLED (which you probably don't want to do anyway because 1080p is much harder to run)
But you can't drop the SD OLED's display into the LCD model, no.
The only thing I dislike about it, having seen the in-store demos, is the fringing on text and hard edges. It can looks like chromatic abberation in very contrasty games. The OLED subpixel layout just isn't quite ideal, especially at 1280x800 7.4".
The LCD version has less issues there. Less gaps between the pixels and a standard RGB vertical strip layout.
I believe you. But it's funny, I have both, LCD and DeckSight. I can tell the difference if they're side by side. But often times I forget the OLED is an OLED 🤷♂️