THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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2 or 3 is the cops fault. 79 means that there is zero accountability happening, and this is probably the tip of the iceberg.
This guy was apparently also responsible for keeping the records.
Seattle has had a decades long struggle to get it's police guild, SPOG, to agree to oversight like... reporting hours in a timely manner. They've discovered dozens of examples of repeated overtime reported months late, because they use paper records and apparently have zero oversight. Beat cops pulling 200 or 300k with 'overtime'. The city council mandated a new system implementation in 2013 iirc and it still is being argued over.
Lmao who the fuck thought that was a good idea?
79 times and he's only 23 years old. That guy is set to be a highly reguarded politician.
E: 23 year old "veteran", 49 years old.
I might be getting whooshed but 23-year veteran means he's been a cop for 23 years.
You were right, I finished reading this part and was damn he knocked it all out on a couple years and stopped reading.
"Ronny Neal, an investigator in SPD’s Professional Standards unit, was charged with 79 counts of official misconduct. That’s one for each alleged instance of fraudulently submitting timesheets containing off-duty work at Lofts at Eden apartments between October 2023 and July 2024."
79 times in 3/4 of a year. That's an impressive amount of lying about off duty work. That would mean he would have to lie on his paycheck about two shifts a week.
Lemmitor: sees cop doing the most cop shit imaginable
Also lemmitor: "Polichishuns amirite?"