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[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm talking about what was actually agreed to. To me it seems that Russia quite clearly abandoned its commitments within the Budapest Memorandum. I don't think you can say that the US and the UK did, unless you're saying that those two countries didn't do enough within the UN Security Council to back Ukraine.

Surely the primary country to blame for this situation is Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Western countries didn't invade Ukraine.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

No one is placing blame here.

They're discussing the material factors that have led to the current situation. Lack of nukes is one of those, and it's likely that Ukraine wouldn't be under a state of defensive war at the moment had they maintained their nuclear arsenal.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 0 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Sure, if Ukraine had kept their nukes and maintained them, they might not be in this current position.

But anyway, I was responding to the post that said "they’re [Ukraine] in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain".

In my view that just isn't true. Their current position is not "solely" because they put faith into western powers who haven't delivered. Their current position is happening because the Kremlin decided to invade Ukraine. I absolutely hope that western powers do more to help Ukraine, but western powers didn't make Russia invade Ukraine. It also seems to me that western powers probably have upheld "their side of the bargain" under the Budapest Memorandum, although like I say, I hope western powers do more to help Ukraine.