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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 57 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

Microsoft applied a data-driven approach to find out which features to add now, which features to add later, and which to completely avoid.

WHAT DATA?!

[–] pulsey@feddit.org 51 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

But, only after not getting an answer from Copilot.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 7 hours ago
[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Microsoft applied a data-driven approach to find out which features to add now, which features to add later, and which to completely avoid.

Which is why if you dig deep enough into Settings you'll see WinXP Control Panel UI elements. You know, the elements that are actually useful for power users.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 16 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

There's a format dialog from NT still present in win 11

edit: it's from 1994 according to the person who wrote it

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The main one I use is the network adaptor settings, where you can enable/disable protocols and most importantly for me, where you can easily add multiple IP addresses on a network adaptor.

The Win 8+ network settings page is an absolute trainwreck. I particularly like how it doesn't warn about conflicting IP addresses now and just silently accepts your given address and provides an auto-assigned 169.254 address instead if it sees even the smallest hint of another computer out there using the address you want to use.

Guaranteed fun and confusion trying to access/ping things until you finally check the status of the network adaptor and discover the auto assigned address, thanks Microsoft.

Not everyone wants to use dhcp, which is clearly their preferred direction, and there have been bugs where Cisco devices trigger that flip to auto assigned addresses even if things are fine.

[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the old settings are at least easily reached if you can remember their names such as ncpa.cpl for the settings you mention but when you write "control printers" you get sent into the new Settings view now. Instead you gotta go to the control panel and change view from category to small or large icons to finally right click Devices and Printers and choose "open in a new window" to get there. If you left click it you get sent to the new Settings view.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

It seems that every new release adds another layer of indirection (misdirection?) between you and the useful stuff you need to access. I use a third party utility to manage IP settings, and it's one click from its menu to get to the network adapter page. It takes me about 5 minutes of angry clicking around in stock standard win11 before I get to the same place.

[–] SavageCoconut@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The data they have compiled from years of people using Win 10 and Msoft Edge.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

If they were using that data, then they would have included features people actually use in 10. Or maybe they’re just doing the inverse of whatever the data suggests.

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Two data points: What their intern could do with React; what their intern couldn’t do with React.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Data can say whatever the hell you want if you lack scruples.

[–] imecth@fedia.io -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's Microsoft, they have all the data. And quite frankly it doesn't surprise even a little bit, i doubt even 5% of people moved around the taskbar, people are just ready to hitch themselves to every bandwagon they see shitting on Microsoft.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In that case, based on the roughly 1.5 billion Windows users, that’ll only affect a mere 75 million users for a feature that’s been there since Windows 95.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 hours ago

The equation they are thinking of, though, is "will the cost of those who actually quit using Windows outweigh the cost of building and maintaining this feature." Funnily enough the inability to move the taskbar is what finally pushed me to Linux full-time, but the overwhelming majority will complain and stick to Windows.