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[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, if Ukraine had kept their nukes and maintained them, they might not be in this current position.

But anyway, I was responding to the post that said "they’re [Ukraine] in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain".

In my view that just isn't true. Their current position is not "solely" because they put faith into western powers who haven't delivered. Their current position is happening because the Kremlin decided to invade Ukraine. I absolutely hope that western powers do more to help Ukraine, but western powers didn't make Russia invade Ukraine. It also seems to me that western powers probably have upheld "their side of the bargain" under the Budapest Memorandum, although like I say, I hope western powers do more to help Ukraine.

[–] 0x0 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Sure, if Ukraine had kept their nukes and maintained them, they might not be in this current position. But anyway

Cool, then this thread is done and the rest of your anyway doesn't matter.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 56 seconds ago

Right so you're too thick to read, aren't you? As I said, I was originally responding to this:

Lol, I wonder when Ukrainians will connect the dots that they’re in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain.

I'm saying Ukraine's current position is not "solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain". Two reasons for this:

  1. Even if you think "western powers" haven't fulfilled "their side of the bargain", this wouldn't be the sole reason for Ukraine's position. Another probably more important reason is that Russia chose to invade Ukraine.
  2. Arguably "western powers", under the Budapest Memorandum, did fulfil "their side of the bargain". The US and the UK (parties to the Budapest Memorandum) didn't seem to commit to fighting a war if Ukraine came under attack. That being said, I absolutely hope that western powers do more to help Ukraine at the moment.

Now do you understand it? Probably not, because you're too stupid to read.