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[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

What does 'liberty' refer to in this case? Surely not the general concept of freedom, is there a specific political system called liberty?

Edit: I think it was supposed to be liberalism?

[–] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's a subvertion of that abortion of a meme "communism has never been tried", you've probably seen it.

I think the post means to say liberalition comes from fighting the oppressors, bit I also don't find it perfectly coherent. It might be saying that true liberty is to [redacted] the oppressing class, but it's definitely not liberalism.

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah on one hand it looks as if it's trying to say liberty causes oppression and social unrest, and on the other hand it might also be saying social unrest is wrongly justified by promises of liberty? Neither really makes sense to me

Edit: or maybe it's saying oppressors cover up atrocities by talking liberty? But the 'oppressors' are also smiling while their group is getting killed by the ones they oppressed? Idk, whatever

Edit 2: maybe the point is that liberty is where the oppressed can kill their oppressors under the same principle of liberty the oppressors used while oppressing them which makes some kind of grim justice?

[–] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

You've overthinking and not in the right direction so I'll try to help out as best I can. As before, I don't think the posted meme expresses itself well.

None of the people saying "Liberty" here came to power for an extended period. They lead actions against oppressive groups, slavers, settlers etc. They don't need this violence justified by the precedent or the framwork of their oppressors, not least because they were left with no other choice but violent action.

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