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I literally quoted ~~Jefferson Davis~~ Alexander Stephens (VP of the Confederacy) a month into the Confederacy. You should go read a fucking history book. Racism and slavery was the foundation of the Confederacy, as stated by the people that started it. States rights is a bullshit excuse. The confederate states wanted to force non-slave states to return escaped slaves, despite them have the rights (specifically a state right) not to return human beings to slavers. Fuck off with this fake ass daughter of the Confederacy propaganda.
Edit : Fixed cornerstone speech attribution.
And I quoted him before in the legislature and after the war both specifically referring to states rights.
No shit?
That does not change it from being the framework for succession and their main complaint.
Ah you mean they challenged state sovereignity which is...... A state right!
You just admitted it was fact, when I was taught in school they would specifically tell you it was not about states rights when in fact it was. The federal government did not intercede because of slavery they interceded because of state sovereignity.
You fuckoff, as I recall you chose to interject yourself. Did you not?
Exactly. The slave states didn't care about states rights at all. All they cared about was keeping slaves. If the believed in what they were saying about states rights, they wouldn't have tried to force non-slave states to turn over freed slaves. The entire "confederates wanted states rights" argument is bullshit. They used the states right excuse to uphold the practice of slavery, and completely ignored these rights when they were used against slavery.
The Confederacy was about keeping slaves, and it was not about upholding the sovereignty of states. That was myth invented after the war was lost to whitewash the people who fought for the "right" to own and abuse human beings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy
You can keep arguing after this I guess, but from this point forward, you would be knowingly promoting and defending a racist slaver-apologizing fraudulent piece of revisionist history.
I would love to see your evidence about that one. I'm quite sure free states cared very very much about state sovereignity hence their objections to shave owning states attempting to exert their authority in free states what with the war about it and all.
No shit? I wonder if we went over this already? Oh yes, we did in fact already talk about this and simply disagreeing with the framework they chose to make their argument does not make it any less of a fact.
I already provided pre war evidence that directly refutes your feelings on the matter.
This isn't lost cause theory, it's stating a series of facts you simply don't agree with.
I'm not promoting anything you buffoon, you're simply trying to call me a racist because you can't win the argument because the facts simply aren't on your side.
Since you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia, there were 6 sources cited in the quote alone.
I didn't see it, I still don't see it, so go ahead and quote it back to me your support of Lost Cause Confederacy talking points.
Read the Lost Cause page, or even better, I'll put the relevant section in here for you since you clearly won't bother to educate yourself.
Unimportance of slavery
The movement that took The Lost Cause for its name had multiple origins, but its unifying contention was that slavery was not the primary cause of the Civil War[8][18] and would have naturally perished.[1] This narrative denies or minimizes the explanatory statements and constitutions published by the seceding states—for example, the wartime writings and speeches of CSA vice president Alexander Stephens and especially his Cornerstone Speech. Lost Cause historians instead favor the more moderate postwar views of Confederate leaders.[19]
Confederate president Jefferson Davis wrote about the place of the South's enslaved African Americans in his The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government (1881)
[The negro soldiers'] servile instincts rendered them contented with their lot, and their patient toil blessed the land of their abode with unmeasured riches. Their strong local and personal attachment secured faithful service ... Never was there happier dependence of labor and capital on each other. The tempter came, like the serpent of Eden, and decoyed them with the magic word of "freedom" ... He put arms in their hands, and trained their humble but emotional natures to deeds of violence and bloodshed, and sent them out to devastate their benefactors.[20][21]
I'm not saying you're a racist slavery-apologist historical revisionist btw, but I am saying that you keep repeating and defending racist slavery-apologist historical revisionist propaganda materials, despite being provided ample evidence and resources to know that what you are saying is racist slavery-apologist historical revisionist propaganda.
Then you should be able to quote one directly that says "no one cared about states rights".
Jefferson Davis to Congress feb2 1860, almost exactly 1 year before seceding. You'll notice it's all about states rights because that's the legal framework they chose to use since owning people was legal at the federal level.
https://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/archives/documents/jefferson-davis-resolutions-relations-states
Point to where I said or implied slavery was not the primary cause of the civil war. I won't hold my breath because that isn't something I've said nor would say. What I have said is that you're wrong to say started rights weren't involved or weren't the primary reason the federal government got involved. Hell, Lincoln specifically campaigned on not getting involved in slavery.
Yes Jefferson Davis was a slave owner and a racist, that isn't news. It's also something I've not argued against but you simply won't stop reading into my words things that simply do not exist in them.
You've quite literally said I'm stuck in lost cause theory which would make me an apologist and likely racist. Save the bullshit.