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Revolution and the end of capitalism aside, I have yet to find a Lib who can explain to me why it would be wrong to take everything from the rich except, say, 500 million. There would be no losers. The rich would still be rich, but we could do so much good with the money.
100 million tops. 50 million ideally. These people buy governments for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. No one should be wealthy enough to even consider buying elected officials, also all solitary positions of executive power should be split into councils of not less than 9 people, but always an odd number on the council.
Even number but nobody works every single day.
"it would be wrong because one day i might have 500 million bucks and a penny and i'm not giving you that fucking penny" shitlibs i guess
Can you show a single example of someone actually expressing this sentiment, though? I've seen "quotes" like this hundreds of times, but never anyone on the 'other side' ever actually make this argument.
You've never gone outside and talked to Americans have you?
i could but i'm not doxxing the idiots i live near
I suppose the common response would be that preventing billionaires from hoarding insane amounts of wealth would remove incentive from them to “innovate and create jobs”. Not that I buy that as being true or worth the wealth disparity currently seen.
To that I'm thinking that humans have an innate desire to innovate, and we wouldn't need jobs if we had fair taxation of the ultrawealthy and UBI.
So basically... the main argument against UBI? LMFAO
Yeah, I mean whether you subscribe to the belief or not, that is the general liberal thinking. If they thought differently, they probably wouldn’t be liberals anymore.
IMO the main argument against UBI is:
"I think all the money would go to landlords because I don't know what elasticity is but nonetheless feel qualified to speak about economics."
The rich own the people (and now, drones) that stand between you and taking it from them.
There are roughly 50,000,000 of them that enforce the current system. There are over 8,000,000,000 of us. We don't need everyone, just 500,000,000 of us could topple them.
One of the issues is that their value isn't fixed. A billionaire as relatively little in the way of liquid (or liquidatable) assets. Their company might be worth billions, but, by taking it, you will destabilise it. Its value will plummet.
In order to access that money, you need to syphon it off more slowly. Think of the goose that lays golden eggs. Cutting it open won't get you a glut of gold. The counterpoint is that you still need to collect the eggs!
In my opinion, we need a tax setup that forces individuals to regress to the mean. (Default is the rich and poor both move towards average when they are of average performance).
We also need to force companies to follow a power law. A few big companies, with the number growing as you move down. A tax setup that punishes forming big conglomerates, and so encourages more medium and small companies would be optimal. Have it adjust based on the overall industry. This both keeps industries competitive, and syphons money from those most able to bear it.
There is a huge difference between knowing what is needed, and how the fuck to implement it however!
Kill the poisoned goose, see if it's children can function as democracies rather than dictatorships.
Killing the goose blindly is just self destructive. We want to them to be able to die, but we need to reduce their size first. That way better options can take up the slack.
Answer me this. Collapse every company worth more than $1B simultaneously. What would happen to the quality of life of those at the bottom? It would be...bad.
Not much worse than the current system that has a planned economic meltdown every decade or so, to prevent the poors from ever gaining a foothold.
You massively underestimate the complexity and fagility of the systems supporting you right now. Food, power and good production would basically collapse.
The biggest problem is the megacorps, they are too big to fail and so need to be broken up. The best way to do that is to make it financially in their interest to shatter themselves. Power law taxes would help both so it now, and keep companies from growing to that level. It also controls the speed of the change, so the supply lines we rely on remain functional.
You massively underestimate the number of us who don't need those systems, and have nothing to lose.
When you put it like that, the liberal brain implodes.
Don't ask me exactly how or why, it just does, they become emotional and irrational at that point.
Maybe pictures of dragons sleeping on piles of gold would help, stories about how they only leave them to terrorize nearby village folk, occasionally abduct a young girl and steal her away to a mythical island, for god knows what purposes.
It's wrong because theft is wrong. Just because the thing you're stealing is something the victim can do without, doesn't magically make it not theft.
So theft it remains, and wrong it remains, because theft is wrong.
Pretty simple, really.
It’s not theft. It’s restitution.
Theft is what happens every day in every working relationship. Value is always and exclusively derived from labor. If someone has capital worth 500 million, that means they have the labor value of 500 million. Did they earn this value themselves? Of course not, it is the value of our labor that they have stolen.
But even if that weren't the case, this argument is roughly on the same level as “drugs are illegal because they are prohibited.” Always remember: in the Third Reich, it was legally forbidden to hide Jews. But it was legally permissible to kill them. What the law says must never be the basis of morality. And on top of that, the law is simply something that is determined as such. It can just be changed. In your words: we can easily define it as “not wrong.”
Retrieving property stolen by a thief is not theft itself
They stole it from us first in the form of unpaid wages.