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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

I mean the US is heavily car centric. Self driving cars are an attempt to adapt to what the reality of the world currently is.

We should absolutely be doing things to make cars less of a requirement by improving public transit and creating more livable spaces that don't require cars, that can even be the primary goal, but it won't eliminate cars completely, and if it does it will take A LOT longer than self driving cars.

Self driving cars are a great idea, but they aren't a fix everything solution, they just one part of an overall solution.

Quick edit: Also the cars Musk is developing are not even close to what we need. He's being deliberately obtuse and creating more problems than he's solving.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Self driving cars are a great idea, but they aren’t a fix everything solution, they just one part of an overall solution.

Why are they a great idea? What are they making better? How is it worth the real and opportunity costs?

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Paradoxically, the large scale deployment of self driving cars will improve the walkability of neighborhoods by reducing the demand for parking.

One can also envision building on self driving tech to electronically couple closely spaced cars so that more passengers can fit in a given area, such that throughout of passenger miles per hour can increase several times over. Cars could tailgate like virtual train cars following each other at highway speeds with very little separation, lanes could be narrowed to fit more cars side by side in traffic, etc.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

How will it reduce demand for parking? Do you envision the car will drop someone off and then drive away until it finds a parking spot that's farther than the person would want to walk?

That sounds like a very hard problem , and people wouldn't be happy waiting 5-10 minutes for their car to navigate back to them. Or it would just cruise around looking for parking, causing more traffic.

Cars could tailgate like virtual train cars following each other at highway speeds with very little separation, lanes could be narrowed to fit more cars side by side in traffic, etc.

Once again reinventing buses and trains

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

How will it reduce demand for parking? Do you envision the car will drop someone off and then drive away until it finds a parking spot that's farther than the person would want to walk?

Plenty of high demand areas use human valet parkers for this issue. The driver drops off their car at the curbside destination, and then valets take the vehicle and park it in a designated area that saves the car driver some walking.

Then, the valet parking area in dense areas has tighter parking where cars are allowed to block in others. As a result, the same amount of paved parking spot can accommodate more cars. That's why in a lot of dense cities, garages with attendants you leave keys with are cheaper than self-park garages.

Automated parking can therefore achieve higher utilization of the actual paved parking areas, a little bit away from the actual high pedestrian areas, in the same way that human valet parking already does today in dense walkable neighborhoods.

and people wouldn't be happy waiting 5-10 minutes for their car to navigate back to them.

As with the comparison to valets, it's basically a solved problem where people already do put up with this by calling ahead and making sure the car is ready for them at the time they anticipate needing it.

Once again reinventing buses and trains

Yes! And trains are very efficient. Even when cargo is containerized, where a particular shipping container may go from truck to train to ship, each individual containerized unit will want to take advantage of the scale between major hubs while still having the flexibility to make it between a specific origin and destination between the spokes. The container essentially hitches a ride with a larger, more efficient high volume transport for part of its journey, and breaks off from the pack for the portions where shared routing no longer make sense.

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