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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 117 points 1 day ago (23 children)

I mean, obviously ten.

But I at least understand 16.

I deeply worry about the percentage just next to the other three numbers.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Your obviously is only a convention and not everyone agree with that. Not even all peogramming languages or calculators.

If you wanted obviously, it would have to have different order or parentheses or both. Of course everything in math is convention but I mean more obvious.

2+2*4 is obvious with PEDMAS, but hardy obvious to common people

2+(2*4) is more obvious to common people

2*4+2 is even more obvious to people not good with math. I would say this is the preferred form.

(2*4)+2 doesn't really add more to it, it just emphasises it more, but unnecessarily.

[–] Septimaeus 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly that’s my pet peeve about this category of content. Over the years I’ve seen (at least) hundreds of these check-out-how-bad-at-math-everyone-is posts and it’s nearly always order of operations related. Apparently, a bunch of people forgot (or just never learned) PEMDAS.

Now, having an agreed-upon convention absolutely matters for arriving at expected computational outcomes, but we call it a convention for a reason: it’s not a “correct” vs “incorrect” principle of mathematics. It’s just a rule we agreed upon to allow consistent results.

So any good math educator will be clear on this. If you know the PEMDAS convention already, that’s good, since it’s by far the most common today. But if you don’t yet, don’t worry. It doesn’t mean you’re too dumb to math. With a bit of practice, you won’t even have to remember the acronym.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I learned BEDMAS. Doesn't really change your comment other than effectively "spelling" of a single term

[–] bisby@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most actual math people never have to think about pemdas here because no one would ever write a problem like this. The trick here is "when was the last time I saw an X to mean multiplication" so I would already be off about it

1 + 1/2 in my brain is clearly 1.5, but 1+1÷2 doesn't even register in my brain properly.

[–] Septimaeus 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Right, and that clue IMO unravels the more troubling aspect of why this content spreads so quickly:

It’s deliberately aimed at people with a rudimentary math education who can be made to feel far superior to others who, in spite of having roughly the same level of proficiency, are missing/forgetting a single fact that has a disproportionate effect on the result they expect.

That is, it’s blue-dress-level contentious engagement bait for anyone with low math skills, whether or not they remember PEMDAS.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Septimaeus 1 points 11 hours ago

Old internet thing. Hotly debated at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress

I’ll add the contextual link above for others, since it’s been awhile.

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