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[–] cybirdman@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand your point, but it does not matter whether men are panel 1 or 3, when the interaction is short you can't tell which reaction it will be. The problem is that panel 3 men exist at all, and that society normalizes it to be like that. "Men will be men" and all that is the problem. I totally get why women would be guarded because of it. Our job as men is to point out toxic behavior when it happens. That's it.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem is that panel 3 men exist at all

Panel 3 women do, too. Some people are just shitheads.

society normalizes it to be like that.

That's simply not true. There is a reason neither men nor women are ever the ones willfully broadcasting this behavior: society absolutely does not justify this behavior. It's invariably the one on the receiving end calling them out (and the fact that it is seen as "calling them out" in the first place is more evidence that it is not a socially acceptable behavior).

“Men will be men” and all that is the problem.

Can you find a single, solitary example of a man being shown to react immaturely to being rejected posted online somewhere, and anything even close to the majority of the response being anything resembling "men will be men"? I contend you're fabricating this.

I totally get why women would be guarded because of it.

Do you also "totally get" why someone wouldn't trust black people after having a bad experience with a person who is black? Because this is the exact same line of reasoning white supremacists use.

Our job as men is to point out toxic behavior when it happens.

It's not men's job to socially police men. It's everyone's job to socially police everyone. It's ridiculous to insinuate that it's any more a male's responsibility to call out bad behavior, just because the one behaving badly is also male.

[–] cybirdman@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

If you think that the appropriate answer to "women feel scared to reject men because of common toxic behavior" is "but its not all men"... I'm sorry to call you out but you're part of the problem.

Instead of being defensive, try to see it from their point of view and accept that something is messed up where a lot of men are like this. And I don't agree that women that are rejected react like this. Quite the opposite actually.

It's an undeniable reality that women get unsolicited advances from men multiple times a day, whereas the opposite is not true.

[–] hakase@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Username checks out.