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I have a df64 and a 1zpresso J Max, which IIRC is 48mm conical. The product tastes pretty similar in an aeropress, although I would say df64 is slightly better (could be due to many things, like conical v.s. flat, geometry etc.), but not $200 better.
The speed difference, even considering hand grinding is negligible unless you are making coffee for more than 4 people.
In general I find the diminishing return might hit you real hard if you decide to upgrade; but it is a hobby anyway: if it makes you happy then it makes you happy; who am I to judge :)
I have the exact same grinders and use them exclusively for espresso. I would say that the DF64 produces brighter flavors and the J-Max a thicker body. But, as I use the J-Max as part of my travel kit with a Flair Pro 2, the difference might also be attributed to the narrower and deeper puck of the Flair compared to a traditional 58mm basket. I'd also tend to attribute the differences to blade geometry rather than size.
I've heard that larger burrs produce less heat and help retain more flavors. I don't know it there is a serious scientific study confirming it.
That sort of what I was thinking, the different grinders actually produce different flavour, profiles, rather than better or worse. That's a good point about the shape, I'm almost tempted to do it to try different burrs on the same coffee. My palate is shite, but the one of my son-in-law's is pretty good, so maybe more of a fun thing than a practical thing.
Thanks for that. Definitely agree with the diminishing returns aspect. I have an okay palate, and I also drink about half milk, so not much more to be gained.
I looked at the DF64 because it's definitely a good deal compared to what's out there (Weber [Yow! re: price]/Lagom/Bookoo/Zerno [also Yow]). I'm guessing the DF64 isn't famously quiet though. Have you ever tried different burrs for different flavours?