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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 119 points 4 days ago (10 children)

As much as I love a good Ten Minutes Hate directed at some carbrain too lazy to walk 4km, it seems I'm going to have to be the one to point out that it's entirely possible that this person's route to work is far too dangerous to walk, let alone cycle.

Just look at that strip of paint some of you are calling a bike lane. Maybe you would be willing to risk your life squeezing amongst the monster trucks on a bike, but I certainly wouldn't. And walk? Breathing all those tailpipe fumes for 30-60min? Hell no. This person may well be looking at 4km of car-exclusive road to get to work.

So instead of ripping into this poor soul for being lazy, maybe we should be considering the very real possibility that their options are limited by poor infrastructure/planning/politics.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 65 points 4 days ago

Not Just Bikes has pointed out in numerous videos places where the distance is walkable/bikeable but totally unsafe to walk or bike. Carbrain infrastructure is not just bad because it centers cars, but because it excludes every other option.

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Very sarcastic comment, but if the traffic is bad enough then it becomes safe to cycle again because of how little anyone in a car can move.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Actually, that's a pretty good strategy. I quite like cycling around in heavy traffic for exactly this reason.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 3 days ago

I use an electric bike, so I could easily go to 30km/h and while the city has a limit of 50, I usually go at pace because of the amount of transit.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The aggravating part isn't not the lazy, but their complaint that they are building more density surrounding it's area. A less carbrained person would see that as an opportunity to push for bike lanes and public transit.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago

Yes, even get the developers to pay a contribution as part of the permit.

I get the impression - or what seems most likely given their ridiculous situation of driving at average of walking pace - that they'll be asking instead for one more lane, and it won't be dedicated for bus or bike or tram.

At the stage they seem to have reached I think it seems quite fair to ridicule the whole city and everyone who has had the power to vote there for the past generation which presumably includes the ooop.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

it’s entirely possible that this person’s route to work is far too dangerous to walk, let alone cycle.

If only there was some kind of enlongated multi-passanger vehicle they could use

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

proceeds to wait 45 minutes in traffic AND 15 minutes additional for the bus

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

It's funny, because I cut ten minutes off my thirty minute commute via the HOV lane by carpooling, and I see plenty of Metro buses on the same route.

[–] magguzu@lemmy.pt 3 points 3 days ago

How do you know there is?

And if there is I don't see a dedicated lane.

I would still bus on principle because I'm a masochist and stubborn. But I get it when people don't if the infrastructure isn't good.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

The traffic is moving at walking speed. It's definitely not dangerous to ride bike there...

[–] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 3 days ago

This comment is way too reasonable to exist in this community

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

That is just a narrow shoulder, you're asking to die riding a bike on that.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

That's not even designed to be a bike lane it's just the edge of the road

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The obvious solution is to put your bike on your car's bike rack, pull out across both lanes of traffic, then take your bike off your car and ride from there.

/s just in case

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

That's not even designed to be a bike lane it's just the edge of the road