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Sheesh I hate it when Americans are like "you have no idea".
Yes, we do. We have the internet here as well and you can't really avoid hearing about American shit.
Why would you think I don't know what a tax-haven when I specifically mentioned that any "proper" billionaires can get around paying even the 30%. And that's private citizens. Google is equally a tax-avoiding scumbag company for us Nordics as it is for you. There's just so many laws the extremely wealthy corps and individuals can use to avoid paying anything. Google's tax rate is literally zero.
Yes, we know. Hence me explicitly mentioning we don't?
And that's clear here as well, despite there being very few homeless and practically none of them live on the street. For some 9 months at least it's mostly too cold to sleep outside. Yet the silly hostile architecture for benches and whatnot has pervaded into the Nordics as well.
We don't need it, but they're still there. So there are people here working on getting rid of even the most basic securities that allow us to function like this. Also, I'm on the same latitude as Juneau, Alaska, about. And I'm in the very SW corner of Finland, on the level of Stockholm.
Does Alaska have a large homeless population? I doubt anything like in the States where the winters are milder?
I've seen the videos. You're still pretending as if we don't have selfish people here who would rather just kill all the poor. You at least have people who care and help others. Here in the Nordics, due to there being a system people can point to, personal responsibility for anyone doing badly is extremely small. People are apathetic and just default to "the system should be helping them."
Hell, when I was properly suicidal, my mom literally just went "well what do you want me to do about it" and called the social workers with a care notice or something. The funny bit being that she is a social worker with higher education. What could she do? Idk, give me a ring sometime, or come to visit so I don't feel as bad. But no. People just default to "the bureaucracy will help them, the bureaucracy is infallible".
Except you've very clearly demonstrated that your assumed version of our system is pure fantasy.
There's a reason we're quite high in the suicide stats. Because we're definitely not even close to being "the happiest country in the world". I don't ever remember my grandma laughing. She died cold and alone, hallucinating basically dream paralysis demons. With not even a nurse who would've know her, because the care home was being run down and there were just random nurses for a few shifts and then new ones again.
So I implore you, don't put the Nordics on a fucking pedestal. Dismissing the problems we have, pretending this is some Lintukoto.
Would you rather be in prison with a dozen of your best mates, or literally forever alone without even the possibility of emotions and if you talk about them, you'll be shunned?
Again, just because you don't know things about the Nordics nor see our news does not mean we don't see yours.
What's the point of competing who has it worse? That's literally whataboutism that's just dismissing Nordic problems. And you're not even Nordic. Trying to have this discussion with fellow Nords is very hard, because lots and lots literally won't allow themselves even an inch of wrong-think.
Our police seem very skilled, don't they? I never had problems with them, always good interactions. Then I got arrested for weed. They put me in an isolation cell for 3 days while denying me my prescription medication, the lights were on constantly and there wasn't even a mattress to sleep on or a blanket. Just the cold ground. Was the cell prolly cleaner than average jail cells in the US? Probably.
But would I be able to sue the shit ouf of them for literally torturing me, breaking Geneva conventions? At one point they turned of my water for hours. I have a congenital kidney malformation and due to that slight inefficiency in left kidney so I must keep good hydration.
I drew over 300 words in my own blood on the walls.
In the US there'd be a queue of lawyers on my door for all the violations, and I'd be looking at tens of thousands to millions in compensation.
Here in Finland, I can't literally even get people to accept it happened. The only one who does is my therapist and he was born and raised in the UK only moved here later in life.
So we really don't have to compete which sort of horror is the worst.
In the US, I'd probably be on the streets or in prison. But after years of literal solitude and nothing else, I'd actually welcome it. My own fucking mother went "weeeelll, you know, I can't actually now what happened in the cell" when I phoned her to cry about my injuries and the injustice of it all. She implied it was my own fault that the police tortured me. And that's the most anyone's spoken to me about it. Finns always decline and refute it at first, then when I produce some photos (I only have those because they claimed I vandalised the cell. We then asked for the security cam footage as evidence of the crime. Weirdly it was suddenly completely lost and the charges dropped.
I would rather get beaten up and kicked than do that again. But again, both suck, they're just different. So what's the point in competing who has it worse and by how much?
There's clearly problems in both places. I'm not critical of everything in the Nordics, but nor am I critical of everything America either, despite having been actively arguing against your foreign policies and criticising you in general for a few decades online.
Do you think the free healthcare here is some superior quality? No. The best in classes go to private clinics, the worst end up in the public system. And the wait times are ridiculous. Some of the doctors have confidently said things that are just plain untrue. I could genuinely list 30+ years of bad experiences in the public healthcare system. Sure it's not bankrupting me, but it's also not doing jack shit for anything and genuinely gets like 80% of their guesses wrong when it's even the least bit subjective. You wouldn't believe half the shit I've heard from supposed "professionals".
So again, every different, but neither is good, is it? So don't think you'd "kill" to switch places with me, when I've spent a good deal of the past few years considering just killing myself.
I get what you're saying, and I'm not comparing personal experiences at all, that sounds horrible. If I thought the Nordic countries were some kind paradise, I'd be working my ass off to get there. I get that the entire world is being worn down by the billionaires
But you still don't get it... If you lived here, your worst 3 days is something common for people who fall through the cracks. There are people kept in similar conditions for months or years at a time. Including for just having a small amount of weed
And it's legal to do this in a lot of places. It isn't something they have to cover up, they might not even need to justify it with a reason.
Hell, lots of people take pride in the cruelty to "criminals".
And you don't understand our medical system... Our outcomes are terrible. Your unhelpful free healthcare has better outcomes than what we go into lifelong debt for
And your meds... Depending on what you need, it could be hundreds of dollars a month, sometimes even with insurance. Without it, there's no upper limit, many drugs are in the thousands... You'd have to jump through hoops with the drug companies and hope they give you enough of a discount
So yeah... You probably would be dead. And if you weren't, you'd be just as alone, and more battered by your experiences
I get why you feel otherwise. Part of me craves disaster, because at least then it would justify my suffering. At least then my struggles would be less abstract. It's very normal to feel that way when you don't have hope in the future
But if we're talking about economic and legal systems, you can't throw your hands up and say "every system has problems". Obviously they do. But if you want hope, and to build political momentum, you have to convince people something better is possible. And perfect or not, the Nordic model exists
On a personal level, the best advice I can give you is to fight. Find an organization pushing for people falling through the cracks, and get involved with them in whatever way you can. Whether that results in change or not, being around others who believe in the same things and doing something about it builds hope
Oh wow quite a few broken thoughts there.
I know, I'm a bit sensitive when it comes to people telling me essentially "you haven't tried hard enough."
Anyway, the one childhood friend who was a man-kebab, that dude didn't invite me to his wedding with a bitch who was equally or more an abuser of alcohol and they didn't because was vocally for the legalisation of weed.
Homelessness is common sure. But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is... common in the US? And you don't think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
But hey, you're not victimblaming, just dismissing it. So it's still not as bad as literally every Finnish person I know.
Yes that's literally just something that happens to people. Yes, it's definitionally torture... But it's normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
I feel like a good analogy for you diamissing me like that would be something like you dismissing Wolverine as "not understanding pain, because he has a healing factor".
I can see the logic in that, but I just don't agree with the sentiment
No, I'm dismissing wolverine's pain because it doesn't make his position on politics better.
I'm genuinely sorry you went through shit. It sounded terrible, I imagined myself in your situation and it's an actual fear of mine
But I don't know what to do with that. That's not a political argument. I think we both firmly agree that it should not be done to people
Which is why I'm struggling to understand why you think media has given you an accurate picture of America, and why in the world you think your life would have gone better here
You gave me an anecdote about your country, and said I didn't understand what it's like there. I agree. I don't understand what it's like, I never have
Then you insist you understand my country from media. It's media... They're stories. Even the news is cropped to tell stories. You do have to actually live here to understand what it's like, no amount of media exposure can communicate what it's like to live somewhere.
I look at your country analytically, and I see social programs and some meaningful effort to fight inequality. I see better health outcomes, and an attitude that it's not okay to let people just die on the streets. I want that for us, and more.
I also see problems. But they're the problems I see everywhere - it's like you have stage one cancer and we have stage 4, I'm interested in looking at what we're doing differently to see if we have less cancer over here. I also think you should do something about your cancer, I'm anti-cancer
I'm not having escapist fantasies about your country, I'm pointing at some of your laws and saying "see? It can obviously be done, and it works out better"
No, you're not disagreeing with anything. You're plain saying he doesn't feel pain because he regenerates, so he can't understand it. You literally keep writing "you don't understand". Not "I disagree with your position"
Your literacy could use some improvement.
You think you do. Based on like 5 articles with variations of "Finland is the happiest country in the world" in the title.
You don't even know what Finnish sounds like. Finnish isn't a PIE-language, and I simply can not communicate all the understanding you lack. You seem to refuse to accept there are things you don't know you don't know.
Like how much language affects psychology, and how different it is in Finland from up top in the government and the bureaucracy all the way down to casual interactions of people in their daily lives.
You can't accept that there's a massive disparity between the subjects. Knowing and understanding Finland and Finnish just is much much harder than understanding the US. I've written this a dozen times, but again, most of our experiences from non-local things come from the media. And we have access to the same media. The difference is that the algorithm that pushes American news to you instead of Finnish ones does so to me as well. There's no Finnish YouTube that's separate from the actual one. You refuse to accept that I can actually understand American culture and society, because of how common it is, but that the same doesn't apply towards your knowledge of Finland because of how small and insignificant we are as a country.
I could easily pass a US citizenship test (I'd prolly recount some of the dates beforehand but I'm fairly sure I could pass one without preparation.)
However you might not even seen words such as "perustuslaki", "Väinämöinen", "Kalevala", "Koskenkorva" etc. You probably just know "sauna" and if you've been interested, then perhaps "vittu" and "perkele".
But yet you refuse to accept there's an asynchronicity to our knowledge about each others societies. Because of some ego thing. It's kinda boring tbh, nothing I haven't seen a million times online.
You're right. I don't understand Finnish at all.
I've never once thought I did, or really ever wanted to.
You think you could pass the citizenship test? You're delusional.
If you understood the USA, you'd realize you'd be deported before you got to take the test. There is currently no path to citizenship, unless you come from South Africa and/or have money
No, you are. Just like you could be arguing that I simply can't be fluent in English, despite me having literally better English than most Americans, you're arguing that I can't possibly pass a test about basic American facts, despite showing you detailed (remember what the word means) knowledge that far surpasses anything asked in the citizenship test.
edit oh yeah from https://americanhistory.si.edu/citizenship/test/results
edit 2 oh yeah i realise people won't necessarily know the domain si.edu so
Ooh nooo, theese are sooooooo haard. Sure, I guessed that the Constitution wasn't written in the same year as the declaration of independence was, so that was slightly a guess (I just assumed it wouldn't be in the same year and whilst a decade or more seemed a tad long, seemed the most reasonable). I also guessed how many senators there are, but two to a state seemed reasonable. Over four would just mean so much squabbling and one per wouldn't be enough.
And that's without me preparing. If I actually prepared even for an afternoon, I would easily pass the US citizenship test. Will you admit that though? No fucking way. Because this isn't about facts or understanding or anything. This is about your ego getting hurt, and because I'm not sorry about your ego getting hurt, you just keep doing your tantrum and won't just stop replying (like you probably should for your mental health.) Like I've said, I've seen this thousands of times over the years, and like I said, this will probably devolve into you spitting one-word replies like "k" or "lol" or mockingly saying something like "you think I'm gonna read that". That's the way it usually goes. I'm gonna guess you're gonna start by denouncing that taking the official US goverment test for if you're ready to take your citizenship test (that online test) "doesn't mean anything" and you still won't accept the asynchronicity in our understandings, despite you not even being able to navigate the Finnish equivalent of a test like that, let alone knowing any of the answers. (To be fair, I'm not as confident I would ace the Finnish citizenship as I am that I'd ace the American one)
edit 3:
holy illiteracy batman. I've said several times I wouldn't want to step foot in your shithole. This doesn't mean I can't favour some of the things there, does it? Also saying that I have the required knowledge to pass the citizenship test doesn't mean that I'm even attempting to get to take one, does it?
Dumbass. I think your English is fine
That's not why you'd be shoved in a box. But you would be, because my county is a collapsing empire. Your opinions and knowledge don't matter
You would be shoved into a box. That's just objectively true.
Which part of "I would never ever step a foot in the United States of America" is hard for you to understand? Which part of having the knowledge to pass the citizenship test" do you think means "I want to travel to the US and take the citizenship test"?
You're just extremely annoyed that I can actually prove that the I could very easily pass the test, as it doesn't really ask anything special, and despite your inane insistence that I just possibly can't understand American culture and society, I keep proving you wrong. You said "you're delusional if you think you'd pass the citizenship test". That's you assuming what I know about the US. Then I do an official practice test just out of spite, and you keep insisting that I'm wrong, despite all the evidence showing it's you who's wrong. But like I said a while back, this isn't about facts. It's just about you getting emotional over having been wrong.
Yeah in a country of hundreds of millions.
But to pretend it's "common" is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I can't decide which.
No it fucking isn't. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like it's "common" shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (I'm a professional one, in case that wasn't clear.)
It's not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that I've the BP of an "80-year old woman".
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And that's why it crashes as well. I can't get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though you're having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesn't stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you haven't, because it's NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
It's normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but it's basically always happening to someone. It's normalized. The people don't care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but it's all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. I've seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between "no one believes it happened" and "no one cares enough to do anything about it"?
Jesus you're stupid. I keep telling you you're wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didn't hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than you're even capable of understanding. You've shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you don't base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
I've seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like "oh you think I'm gonna read all that" while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinä et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
I've also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives you've been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think it's somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. You're so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally don't even have literacy to understand the BS you're spouting.
Remember that I'm choosing this language because *YOU" don't speak any others. Hell, you're probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck you're pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, I'm well traveled and I've lived abroad.
You. Don't. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isn't the same thing. You're not even very informed about life here, you've latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis you'd need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, it's a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasn't painful
It's not a real place to you. It's an emotion
You're just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I haven't claimed that you don't speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesn't mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as that's just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I don't understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you don't like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think I'm not very informed? Specifically, that is?
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you can't accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail /ˈdiːteɪl/ noun
I've literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of "details".
I wouldn't fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldn't risk it. A million or a couple and we're talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesn't mean I think the US is better to live in. I've kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting "you don't understand", when you can't point to anything in detail which I don't understand and whilst constantly telling you I've been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of... you still haven't answered where you were on 9/11? I'd argue if you can't even remember that, you can't understand America. /s
I don't actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that you're under, idk, 30 isn't really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and you've just ignored on accident, but it's also likely you're in your twenties and literally we're a baby/didn't exist when 9/11 happened. But I won't. Since it'd be silly of me to assert what you know or don't.
You'll notice I still haven't even asserted you don't understand Finland properly. I've said I imagine you don't, and that you clearly don't understand that you don't understand that I do understand. You can't possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can't understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn't a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven't. You just keep screeching "you don't understand" without being able to point to the "details" you pretend I "latch onto".
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
It's getting to the bit where you're gonna get so mad that deluding yourself won't work anymore.
Jesus Christ... You're a piece of work. I didn't feel a need to defend my understanding of language until you slipped in jabs multiple times. Because my ideas stand for themselves
I've said multiple times. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND. It would be insanely arrogant to claim otherwise, and not once in my life have I done so. I've had online friends who live there, my step dad has gone there at least once a year for like 40 years...I know plenty about your culture. But I've never experienced it
And it's equally arrogant to think you understand my country.
But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people... I've given them rides. I've never thought of a program to do so, not out of lack of compassion, but because the Nordic countries have a better attitude towards the homeless and social programs. That's exactly what I want for my country. That's what I'm pointing at.
And of course you know more words in English. All languages have a speed at which they are spoken, and a set of vocabulary. All human languages have about the same information density, English has one of the largest vocabularies. I find Spanish poetry amusing, because of how it doesn't translate well... It has one of the smallest vocabularies and highest words per minute
As for details... What's your obsession with skipping grades? That's not a real thing. We have magnet schools and gifted programs... Skipping grades is basically not a thing. It causes socialization problems. I slept through my classes through college, because I was bored.
You barely understand America at a surface level. I say that purely out of your weird beliefs. You talk like an America-phile, fetishizing my county with little understanding of how any of it works.
The smartest thing you've said is that you'd never come here. Because with your history with weed, you'd be locked in a box until they deported you. And I think that's horrible.
No, you don't, and unlike me, you're unwilling to learn. I've been trying to teach you the difference, but you just keep saying I can't possibly understand. You can't reason that in any way, yet you assert it.
I've told you how those systems and laws you admire don't work here. I've told you the extent to which I've chased these things and I'm telling you, the pathological avoidance is nation-wide. In the US, lawyers can actually profit from suing the state, so IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Not to everyone, not all the time, not even remotely. But like with "whole grades acceleration", IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST AND HAS MOTIVATIONS FOR WHY PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.
One course in law I took had the professor tell us how all of us probably had assumptions based on having seen so American TV. And we did. Suing is completely different. Justice systems are completely different, down to the core.
Can you even tell the key differences between common law and civil law systems without Googling?
There isn't one. You're making shitty assumptions, yet again. I could explain why I was driving around drunks and homeless people, despite them not getting driven around because they're homeless and/or drunks. But did you ask? No. You make shitty assumptions about some cloud cuckoo land where people don't frown the homeless or substance abusers. It's fantasy.
Again, you simply display your ignorance.
If you're in New York and laying on the street, no-one will stop, "not my problem" they'll think. In rural Kansas though, in a small village where eveyone know each other, they probably would. It's called "the bystander effect". And social programs can do that to whole nations. You simply aren't willing to open your mind to the possibility that someone thinks so differently from you that you can't understand it.
And because at the same time I assert that it doesn't work the other way around, because I do understand the American frame of mind, I understand them both, you get all mad and start having a tantrum.
Despite the simple fact that I could pass for an American easily and could pass American citizenship test but you wouldn't even be able to take the Finnish citizenship test and even if they allowed you to take it English, you wouldn't pass.
Why of course? Because while English has a wider vocabulary, it doesn't have more words, simply because of the agglutinative nature of Finnish multiplies the amount of words. But just like with every other mistake, you'll just stop caring about that and won't be able to address the fact that you were actually wrong about something.
Here, conjugating "a dog"
But you simply can't accept the fact that I have a viewpoint which is wider than yours. Not in life in general, but for the differences in Finnish and American cultures and society, most definitely
God, you're a fucking retard. I've had deeper conversations with people with extra chromosomes.
And I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely have. They're delightful people who only engage in good faith. They're joyful, I still don't understand what you stand for
See, just like I said; your replies are devolving and you'll give in before admitting to having made a single wrong assumption. Yet you insist it is I who "just doesn't understand." Before long you'll be replying with "you think I'm gonna read all that" or "lol, k" or something to that extent, because you simply can't acknowledge having been wrong.
This is just about your ego. If you had a healthy one, you could actually admit that yeah, I do understand American culture and society and that you were wrong to assume that my notions of the US are somehow fantasies, and that I wouldn't pass the citizenship test. I clearly would.
You just can't accept there's an asynchronicity between America and Finland that means that I understand you more than you do Finland.
The word you're looking for is "annoying", by the way. Not "fucking retarded". I know that I've "won" whenever the replies begin starting like that. You're getting super emotional, and that means I've done what I set out to do. Which isn't to "win" a conversation, as I don't see it as a competition, but as you do, you have to "get the last word" so you can't just stop replying. But you can't address any of the things said either, because I proved you wrong in them. You just keep avoiding more and more and more and saying less and less and less. I've seen this a thousand times. Literally. No exaggeration.
I engage in good faith. You do not.
That's why I can point to any part of the conversation, while you have to desperately avoid that I do in fact understand American society and culture. That's why you won't answer where you were on 9/11. That's why you won't answer my rhetorical point about a person "not being able to understand America if they can't remember where they were on 9/11" and that's why you probably got so mad about it, because I'm guessing you either had a tit in your mouth or didn't even exist. That's why you have to keep avoiding the simple fact that there's an asynchronicity between how much people understand the US and how much they understand Finland. And that your notions of Finland are indeed from articles reading "Finland is the happiest country in the world" over and over and over again. That's why you have to avoid continuing to pretend like you understand our laws and programs, when you continue to prove you do not. We don't drive around homeless people in taxis because they're homeless people. Yet you think we do. You think Finland is some holy paradise in which the lowest of the low in society get treated with nothing but kindness and respect and that everyone helps them and values them as members of society... and then you have the gall to call me delusional. :DD
Jesus Christ, you're actually 14...
Have you made a point in all of this? You've passionately expressed your feelings plenty
Me: I want to adopt aspects of the Nordic model
You: BUH BUH BUH I experienced police brutality and I'm from there!
Me: Yes, yes, police brutality is bad. But anyways...
You: You only speak English and I could pass your citizenship test!
Me: What?
You: Yes, I've watched all the movies! I know America! I am wolverine!
Me: (patiently) you know movies and reality are different, right?
You: I KNOW AMERICA! BETTER THAN YOU EVEN!
See, just like I said. You're getting increasingly frustrated.
I was around 14 when the planes hit the twin towers. Where were you? CAN'T REMEMBER?
Either you don't speak English, or you're refusing to answer me. Because you're mad about me being right and you being wrong.
YOU have misunderstood, and then pretend not to. When I make mistakes, I stand behind them. You don't, because you don't engage in good faith.
Now you're making strawmen out of your own arguments? Fucking hilarious. Should we go over all your fantasies about the Nordics again, about how you imagine homeless people get fucking FREE TAXI RIDES? :DDD And you call me delusional for saying I have the knowledge to pass your citizenship test because I understand American society and culture.
Yet you childishly insist and stomp your foot "wyaaa wyaaa wyaaa YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND"
I don't "understand".... what, exactly?
"I'm not gonna answer anything admitting I'm fallible, I'm gonna start autistically screeching things I would be offended by. You're a retard! You're 14!"
I would genuinely give an arm and a leg to be 14 again. You wouldn't, because you're proving with everything that you're in your twenties, and you're still in the phase where you think age matters. Or offends, for that matter.
You can't reply to where you were at 9-11. Perhaps you don't know what it's about, seeing as you can't remember it? Ask any true American, they'd point out how unAmerican you're being. Hell, you probably wouldn't pass the citizenship test, given that you seem to not know what 9/11 is and that is a question on it. I know because I did it on an official practice test, you remember? When you were screaming "fucking retard you're delusional to think you'd pass the citizenship test."
Just suck it up; I understand American culture and society, despite you screeching for days about how I can't possibly.
You're out of arguments and getting mad at the man online telling you're kinda emotional, aren't you? ;>
Why are you talking about movies and TV? First off, I bet my left testicle you've NEVER even seen a single Finnish movie or show. Nor have you ever opened a Finnish government website, nor would you even recognise one because you don't know what the equivalent to ".org" is.
Yet you did assert that you understand Finnish laws and rules. When you don't know literally a single word and can't have read them. (Translating them is not reading them as they're put and you don't speak Finnish or Swedish)
But will you accept you're the one who understands less about the other's society? Ofc you won't you're an egotistic kid. Like I've said, I've seen this a thousand times. I've literally told people hundreds of times how this goes and they still always follow it to the letter, and so will you.
Oh so me having American relatives, acing the citizenship test, having better English skills than native speakers and just having been reading about US politics since before you were born means that I think movies are real? And you're not at all in the wrong or desperately making strawmen?
That's what you call "engaging in good faith"? You know if you actually studied philosophy and rhetoric at all you might know more about it than just the names of the fallacies. You might actually understand what they mean.
Although I doubt it. You're literally brain-damaged
https://today.duke.edu/2022/03/lead-exposure-last-century-shrunk-iq-scores-half-americans
You won't answer any of the questions I've asked you but you'll keep up this autistic tantrum and reply
Yes, you've thoroughly worn out my desire to keep talking to you... That meme wasn't an attempt at a burn, it's a genuine expression of what this whole conversation has felt like from my side. I'm pretty happy with how it came out, it was snappy and I thought it really captured the emotion
I feel like I'd be punching down if I tone matched with you, so I'm just going to leave it here. I hope your life gets better
Yeah, you keep saying things like "genuine" and "in good faith" and "you're delusional", but we both know you're saying those because you want to pretend you believe them. Not because either of us actually believes you do.
You can't address the things you've said, because that would completely crash that delusion. That's why you can't address how fucking dumb it was of you to claim "you're delusional to think you could pass the citizenship test". That's why you can't address the fact I have American relatives. I've not physically been, that much is true. Again, most of your time is spent watching a screen. Do you think the things you get on that screen are exclusive to the US? I have plenty of American friends. A couple of relatives only, 50-60 year old aunties from my mom's side. And their father, who was pretty much like 100 the last time I saw him so RIP prolly, but he actually spoke Finnish, albeit with an weirdly old accent, as his parents had emigrated from Finland.
But will you address the fact that I simply understand the US faaaaaaaaaaar better than you understand Finland? No, you fucking won't. You say things like; "But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…"
You literally think we drive around homeless people for free? And you call me delusional? Oh wait, why does it feel like I'm repeating myself? Oh wait, right, because I am, because you're a coward who keeps avoiding his own words, because you can't stand by any of them, because you write your comments while having intense emotions, and you complete lack any sort of ability to edit your words and then you end up regretting them, but you can't possibly admit to that, so you completely avoid everything you've said.
Yeah uhm, you're literally talking to yourself. You don't believe the things you're saying. If you did, you could actually address what you yourself have said. "But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…"
You've at most read a couple of articles about Finland. Yet you pretend like I understand America because I've seen some movies? No man, I live and breathe your disgusting culture, unfortunately. I can't help but to be part of English society, and I can somewhat choose to prefer UK shows and movies, but I can't change the fact that Trump is a disgusting piece of shit who's constantly spewing out even dumber shit than you. And that's your literal leader. You understand how dumb the world considers Trump, but also you know how delusional he is? You're the exact same, my man.
That's why you can't answer why you say things like "But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people… " when you clearly don't, as the things you say are completely bonkers. :DD And you won't be able to address your mistakes.
Yeah, you're starting to get to the "you think I'm reading all that" phase I told you about days ago. Then you'll devolve into "lol, k" or some such bullshit, and still you won't accept that you're here only because your ego is hurt and that you're not engaging in good faith.
I am. :)
Because your gishgalloping everywhere. I was willing to play along with you for a while and see if there was some common thread, but I still have no idea what you're on about and you're being increasingly insulting
And I don't even know they're you're going with this. Of course your know more about America than I know about Finland. We're America. No one can ignore the collapsing global empire
I'm pretty sure I straight up said as much a half dozen times...
What I can't get over is how confidently wrong you are about America. You're the one who has learned of my country through media and thinks themselves some kind of expert, at least I learned about the Nordic countries in university through the lens of sociology. It's a soft science, but it's science
And if I can't shake you on that point, what is there to talk about? I can't find any common ground between us.
So yeah. This isn't a constructive or interesting conversation, so why bother?
It's actually "you're", a contraction of "you are", btw.
How do you reason that you're not deluding yourself when you write things like that to a person who keeps repeating the same two or three questions. Literally, I repeated three times in the last comment how you said
“But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…”
You do not. You say things which aren't true. I say things which are true. We both know that. You might not understand what you're doing, but I do. I know you're just locked in because your (see, that's the correct use of "your") feelings got hurt, because I said you're (see?) emotional.
"You wouldn't pass the citizenship test, you just wouldn't, you're delusional!"
A bit too much of a coward to stand behind anything you've said. Just like I said in the last comment, you're talking to yourself mate. And despite saying "that's it, I'm done" (which by the way, so on point for this point, I've seen it, again, thousands of times), you're replying, because your (remember which one to use) ego got hurt. And you simply can't accept that.
You'd have to humble yourself a bit to get away with any respect from this. You can't. You've replied with "you fucking retard" and "you're delusional to think you could pass the American citizenship test" and "“But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…”
You can't point to a single thing I would've said that would've been inaccurate, yet this autistic screeching that "wyaaaah you just don't understand". Like you said, we're not on the same level. Not even close. That's why I've been able to predict your actions so easily, because I've seen versions of this tantrum a million times.
Keep doing it though, I'm sure you can recover from "WYAAAA FUCKING RETARD FUCK FUCK FUCKING RETARD WYYYAAA"
Haha.
“But I do know your laws and outcome statistics. I know which laws and programs I want for my country. Like driving around homeless people…”
So what fucking program in Finland drives around homeless people? None that I know of, and I've searched for such, IN FINNISH. Something you're incapable of even admitting you're incapable of, despite it being painfully obvious to everyone. Especially when you keep projecting your emotions. "You're gishgalloping everywhere!" .... oh whops, that's not the verbatim quote, it's "Because your gishgalloping everywhere". I keep literally repeating things over and over and over and over. And you just dance to my tune, right to my tune. I bet you're not even reading the comments anymore. Which should tell you that you're done, as in, you've taken a massive L, but you simply can't control your ego. :DD childish. (luckily for me, since I enjoy this. ;> making you humiliate yourself.)
I have no idea where the citizenship test thing came from. I said border security would instantly lock you in a room and eventually deport you if you came to the US because of your weed charges. That's just true... And I wanted to squash that idea when you sounded like you might want to come here. It would be bad, and I don't want that for anyone
And you're the one who said you had a job driving around the homeless! I even followed up to say I didn't know what that means, but that the idea of giving the homeless rides to medical appointments seems like a good idea
See? No common ground. What are we even talking about?
And again, with the pretending that you have amnesia. You're not lying to me or the internet, lil' fella, you're lying to yourself.
That's you. You said that. That's wrong. Will you be able to accept you were wrong? Of course not, just like I said days ago.
You're just here clinging to your ego. You haven't engaged in good faith for a couple of days now, avoiding pretending you can't see (or you're literally just too lazy/illiterate to read a few lines lol) most of my text. That's the "you think I'm reading that" bit you're getting into.
See, because now I'll have to ask, for the umpteenth time, why do you talk about border control? That would only matter if I ever had an intention of stepping a foot in your shithole, which I've kept a constant stance on; I will not be doing that. You know I've repeated, again and again, and again and again and again. Like with everything else as well (like you deluding yourself that homeless people get free rides in Finland xDDDD address that you pathetic coward), you're simply pretending that you don't understand that HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE to do something doesn't equal you actually DOING it. A surgeon knows a million ways to kill you. Does that mean that there's one behind your door, lurking, with a scalpel? ;DDD
Nope. I said I drove around the homeless in my job. I can see how with your (remember which one to use) limited English you can't see the difference. If a cop told you they drive around homeless people in their job, would you think they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart? No. Because that would be a moronic assumption. Just like you keep making. And then projecting that I'm making them, despite you not being able to point to a single thing I've said that would be inaccurate or supposely showed a twisted view of US society or culture. Not a SINGLE one.
And that's why you're so angry. Having a tantrum that you lost an imaginary argument you had in your head, meanwhile in reality, you've just been stomping your feet and crying. You're dumber than these fucking cops lol and that's saying something.
Will you be able to address the fact you called me delusional, despite me acing any and all practice tests put to me? Will you ever admit that you're even capable of making mistakes? No. Is that utterly ridiculous, avoiding admitting a mistake when everyone can see you've made one? Yeah. Very much so. Very early-20's of you. Where were you during 9/11? Or were you just a thought in your daddy's head? Or are you just like actually like, totally an adult, and you were only sucking your moms tits and just can't remember anything?
What the fuck are you on about? You haven't provided context! I expressed a lack of context!
If you really want to know where I was on 9/11, I was in school. It was very weird.
I don't know how to connect to you as a human being. I'm certain I've never said you couldn't pass the citizenship test, because that's not the hard part. The hard part is the process that takes years
Do you want me to be mean to you? Is that what this is? Because I've got weak spots, you're just miles away from them
The one thing you've communicated to me is where your weak spots are. It's your mother. It's respect. It's isolation. I could be very cruel, and I have no desire to be.
I'm genuinely asking... Do you want to be torn down? I understand how it can be healing, but it won't feel good for me. But I'll do it if that's what you need.
No. You implied one. There's a marked difference. You can just ask me if you'd like. You know, how I keep asking you things, but you keep avoiding answering them? Yet you get pissed at me not expressly detailing something you haven't even asked for, after you've said "I can't answer any of your questions, because your just gishgalloping everywhere"?
That's hilarious. This is why I do this. Every individual meltdown like yours teaches me something new about the human psyche.
"I was in school" right yeah. Because a vague answer like that definitely means that you remember it? Being "in school" could mean anything from kindergarten to university. But you know that. That's why you chose those words. Because it's vague. Honestly, I'd put a bet on that being a lie. I can't prove it, but I would bet on it. I'm not much of a betting man but I seem to do excellently when it comes to twerps like you, who can't handle just reading and writing without getting emotional.
"You've indicated where your weak spots are" what is this, some fucking PVP game? You're trying to use psychology, because you feel hurt that I pointed out you're doing classic projection. So now you're even more hurt, and have also realised that the "YOU FUCKING RETARD" approach doesn't exactly work. Sooner or later, you'll devolve into "lol, k" or something, until you get mad enough and block me. Which you definitely should've done already, but you simply can't.
Just like you can't address your own words.
"Do you want to be torn down" uh, yes, that's why I have a fucking therapist? There's literally nothing you could say that would ever even come close to hurting me. You're like a chihuahua who doesn't understand how small he is, and it's extremely ironic, because this is the thread where you have a meltdown and cry "NO, YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!11!!!1! ://///" then when being repeatedly asked what specifically don't I understand, you gishgallop everywhere and despite you doing that and screeching "RETARD" at me, I haven't gotten even slightly upset at any point. I just enjoy reading and especially writing. That's clearly not the case for you.
That's why it's so easy for me to predict your every move. Like how you keep avoiding actually answering any question. After being prodded a hundred times you managed one vague non-answer answer. And you think everyone doesn't see that you're deluding yourself? :D
Just like you now proceeded to reply, without actually admitting you're even capable of EVER being mistaken in ANYTHING.
Fucking omegalol
edit oh wait that's not how you kids like your memes here
Again, WE DON'T HAVE COMMON GROUND
You didn't say you wanted me to rip into you, you said you have a therapist. And so I'm not going to, because I have compassion.
Yes, I was in school. I specifically said university. My ideas stand on their own.
Again, you whether or not you could pass the citizenship test is meaningless. You're delusional if you think you'd be able to take it. What the fuck are you even taking about? It's a years long process
I know what the immigration process is for a half dozen countries. Finland ain't one of them. You're just gishgalloping about
What do you think could be achieved here? Why do you want to keep talking? Are you that lonely?
Oh please, little fella. Please, please, pleeease, "rip into me". I'm begging you.
"I'm gonna tear you down. I know your weak spots."
Jesus what fucking larping my man. You can't pretend to be a polite psychologist after screeching "you fucking retard". :D It's not really credible. And I'm sure you're aware of that, but you're trying so hard to pretend not to be.
No it's not. It's to point out the vast difference between each other's understandings of each other's society and culture. You've said "I know what kind of programs you do", no you fucking dont, and that's been proved again and again anda again. You also say I simply can't understand America. So someone who passes the citizenship test has no understanding of America? Your feelings are more of an accurate measure than the official test that the US employs to actually figure that out? Your feelings? :;D
No man. Please, do rip into me. You won't. Yet you'll keep replying, because again, your feelings are hurt that I pointed out that you were wrong to say what you said. You're already devolving. This is the pleading phase of your denial. ;>
edit oh right remember how I said you can't admit that you're just fallible, like regular humans? and how you DIDNT? even though you definitely did say that I couldn't pass the test, and now are saying "it doesn't matter" if I would after saying "I never said you couldn't". GISHGALLOP MY BOY GISHGALLOP HEEEYOOOO
Ok... All you had to do was ask, you've been trauma dumping in me for like 2 days now
No one in your life respects you. You're the mentally ill creep who people tolerate until they don't. Your own mother doesn't take you seriously, your own mother.
You didn't make it. You're not an intellectual, you're not educated. I bet you barely made it through secondary school, and have done nothing meaningful with your life since then. You certainly speak like it, at least your English is admittedly good. You'd honestly sound smarter if you English was worse
You don't have the intellectual or educational background to speak on any of these topics you've taken a stand on. You're a borderline retard. I don't know what you're doing here. You're ideas are literally worthless... Zero analysis, all emotion
The sheer arrogance.... No wonder you don't have real friends. Mine are ride or die, if I call at three AM they pick up. A single phone call and they'd travel across the continent. If I don't pick up for too long, they track me down. When I'm in a bad place, my friends and family just show up. Over and over. I don't even know how they get my address sometimes
You could be better. It's something you could choose to do. A little humility could do you a long way
Wow, that's so curiously spot on it's just creepy. I'm in tears man, tears.
Now what else are you gonna attempt to avoid saying "I make mistakes, just like all other humans." I make mistakes as well, because I'm a human. I've edited several of my comments, because I proofread and then fix my mistakes. The point there being fixing my mistakes. See that requires actually taking responsibility for your own words (and actions.)
Good of you to spot that I'm proud of being an intellectual, but unfortunately, the facts beg to differ with the bs you've concocted (but think you've derived). Facts like how you're still pathetically avoiding saying you even remember 9/11. How you're still avoiding admitting to even saying that you ever said a thing I've literally screencapped you saying. Or is it something that you actually meant instead of said? That you're just not proficient enough in English to express your intentions to a person who is perfectly fluent in English? So that'd mean that you're not that literate, wouldn't it? Uff, that's a tough one. You're gonna have to pick either saying I've faked a screencap, which everyone will know is a pathetic lie, or that you're functionally illiterate, OR that you were wrong.
It's gonna be one of those. Lies of omission count, by the way. :)
Yeah, I am being extremely arrogant towards you. I do it online on pseudonymous servers, because I'm an adult with understanding of social context and a functioning emotional regulation system. Unlike you.
See before, quotes from you:
Is babby having his first ever long internet row and doesn't realise to quit when he's in the wrong? :((
I understand American society and culture, and my own. You're simply refusing to accept there's an asynchronicity between the anglosphere and (the rest of) Europe, because you're a lazy little monolingual. :DD
Just like I've been telling you, you can't accept you're wrong, and your ego is just SCREEECHING at you and you can't control yoursel. You really should read a bit more psychology the level you're at is terribly naive.
Do you really think I wasn't around for 9/11? What a stupid hill to die on
I was in school. They called us out one by one over the loudspeaker
Do you understand how irrelevant that is? You don't seem to.
Should I correct your spelling like you did mine?
My friends are still ride or die. Are yours?
XDDD you can't even speak English properly for fucks sake. Then you make those childish insults and then suddenly shift away from them as you realise this isn't one of your insult attempts at recess with your "ride or die" friends. Oh and talking about them, I have to grow my own weed and this leads to me having to interact with literal murderers and rapists and has done since I was a teenager (edit oh i realise that comes off a bit weird. weed is illegal so i have to interact with criminals, and some of them have been serious criminals. and i am a criminal too for smoking weed). I have actual RIDE OR DIE friends, but not political ones. Because it's really bad for business. You'd shit your pants literally if you had to sit across a murderer who asked you if you stole a half a k of meth from them. I didn't. Because I'm very sociable, because I understand social contexts.
Like the context of this thread. This is my thread on someone else's post. You're just replying to me.
To remind you:
I answered you very politely, explaining your misunderstanding, because you said something that literally is not true, while it's portrayed as true in the media, due to very little media coverage (in your language and your part of the world.) Then you proceed to list simple fucking facts and after I've proved to you how well I understand the US, you just screech "IRRELEVANT YOU RETARD IRRELEVANT IM GONNA TEAR YOU DOWN MENTALLY". It's not irrelevant. It's the whole topic of the thread we're doing. You having been wrong, not I. You're still gonna pretend like I don't understand basic facts about the US? Or are you pretending now that it's irrelevant? Which is it? It can't be both, they're mutually exclusive. (Oh, apologies. No... sorry, are those words too ~~larg~~ big for you?)
Oh ran into char limit. And I'm writing on my phone.
So yeah tldr I've been part of several political parties and organisations. I have streamed politics and called members of parliament and even the head of the election law committee(or organisation whatever). Finns are just pathologically avoidant, which is slowly driving us to authoritarianism.
You don't understand Finland because you're ignorant of it but I'm not ignorant of the USA.
Yes. I very much do.
How do you know about the world. Through media. Most of your information is from media, not first hand experiences. Unfortunately for you, the media is full of stuff about the US and only occasionally maybe mentions Finland.
It's the same sort of disparity as there is with language.
You might as well be saying "you haven't lived in an English-speaking country so you can't be fluent in English!"
I started reading English roughly 25-30 years ago. The point being that I was exposed to it ever since I was a kid. And I leaned into learning it. Most of the people in Finland do not have my language skills, albeit everyone has a basic level of English understanding. The same goes for the US.
Or how many States have you been in? All 50? Doubt it. A dozen? Or maybe just a handful of cities?
I understand your lack of education. Otherwise you might understand, after several times of repeating it, that I actually do know how about your country and it's systems.
Aside from being bombarded with American news day and night everywhere, I actually go out of my way to watch news shows like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, but I can already hear you mocking about how "TV isn't real life", despite the fact that you get most of your news from it as well. Somehow it's just iiiimpossible to understand shit like wounds getting treated with literally just sugar in federal prisons. Sure that was a random case but the episode about it gives context on why it's a good example.
Hell, it's completely possible that (aside from taxes paid) I've done more for the US than any random American I meet online. Just out of my age, so I've have been online for quite a while, and the amount of activism I do online. I used to be 9001 times more militant about American global policies and the drug war, but also against Trump ever since he first stood for president. And while you can dismiss online activity as "just [whateverlameexcuse]", that's how things progress. By people complaining.
Do you genuinely think that this is the first I'm hearing of drugs (and healthcare in general) being insanely expensive in the US? You genuinely think I wouldn't understand a meme about Americans avoiding taking an ambulance even when they're very much in need? You think I'd just go... "I don't get the joke o.o"?
You don't know me at all. I make friends extremely easily, alway have. The thing here is "you have NO IDEA* about Finnish culture, because the only time you've been exposed to it is some random henchman in a movie where an action hero is going/coming from Russia. And they never even bother to get anyone who actually speaks Finnish, it's always gibberish or extremely poorly pronounced. (Imagine a deep southern accent someone trying to read Chinese without understanding the tones at all and you'll get close to what it sounds like to us).
You don't understand that I've chosen to avoid the people who won't stand up to injustice. And that's about the only criteria I have in adulthood. But for instance an American does not understand what it means to smoke weed in Finland.
It's essentially similar to being gay in an extremely conservative and religious small town. You'll get treated as the worst cock-sucking crack whore just for saying "I don't think weed should be illegal." And that is not an exaggeration I'm pulling out of my arse. If you understood Finnish I could share phonecalls with medical professionals who basically say that smoking weed on the weekends is literally as bad as shooting up heroine. One refused to give me meds, saying "you'll just sell these for drug money". One of the friends whom I grew up with, whom I have carried out of several parties, from one in a rolled up mat with him in the center, with his vomit all over. Like some sort of disgusting man-kebab.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I would've actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kids. And you don't understand it coming from a culture which so values individuality and individual achievement, but in Finland you're not allowed to be better than others at basic education. I was literally held back because the others weren't as fast. I taught myself how to read (no joke) at the age of five. So at the age of 7 in first year the teacher put me in an empty classroom by myself, saying "sit here and read" while others learned their letters.
Most Finns actively avoid people as sociable as me, but in the US I'd probably be on the introverted side of the spectrum.
I say I would be dead or in prison, but I also could just be making it big, as I would've definitely got a scholarship to a good school. I had a 9.3/10 (scale 4-10 4 is F 10 is A+) GPA when leaving basic education. What you'd call a straight A student. And I didn't even apply myself, because I didn't have to. I kept learning next year's shit from my older brothers books.
I could be in jail for weed. I could be in a state where it's legal. Could be that I would've been bakruptred, or could be I'd be an ace surgeon. (I'm not that interested in surgery tbh, but I was good at dissecting animals, our biology teacher said I was the first student in 20 years to extract a perch's swimbladder without puncturing it and literally said "you'd make a great surgeon". Couldn't chase that either as mom forced us to love move that year and had to remake all friends and none of the teachers knew me and it was a way shittier school.)
Anyway, you're making assumptions which even I can't say about myself. The reason I say dead or in prison is because I wouldn't put up with the bullshit politics and wouldve either been tossed to jail for weed or activism or some such. But in the US , I wouldn't be alone with my sentiment. That's why you so enshrine your rights. You actually have a sense of justice. Finns don't. Finns merely follow rules instead of ever considering how moral or necessary the rules even are.
You can go to a city in Finland during the night when no-one is around for miles, and people will stop at a pedestrian red light, even for intersections that are clearly clear for hundreds of feet.
And I say feet, because I understand feet as well, but I don't think you have as good a grasp on metric as I do for imperial units. Might be I'm wrong. But seeing how little empathy you show, I'm pretty sure I'm not.
The why I do it is kinda simple. The idea of America, the American dream, or whatever, is — however subjectively — kind of a cool idea. It's a continuation of what the French started a few centuries ago, and it was going relatively well until somewhat recently. (Like, say, post 9-11.) And would you believe it I can remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11. I don't think you can say the same thing for anything that has ever happened to a Finnish person or relating to Finland.
Yes, and the Nordic model isn't the fantasy you have in your head anymore than a Whopper actually looks like the ad pictures for it.
I'm telling you you don't have an idea of the pathological avoidance pretty much built into Finnish society. Hell, it's in the very language. We don't have gendered words or even gender-specific pronouns. And while we have a gender-neutral pronoun, we still often default to referring to people as "se", which translates as "it". Only really pets and formal situations does one use the proper third person pronoun "hän".
Oh wow. What a revelation my man. Wow. Crazy that it never occurred to my. Wow. All I needed to do is "fight" yeah, that'll change the entire social fabric of Finland. Just like if you want, you can just get everyone to admit that the 2A is a garbage law only there to perpetuate the American military-industrial complex instead of having anything to do with actually having "a well regulated militia" in order to oppose tyranny. You're living under tyranny right now and aside from Luigi, I ain't seen no-one doing jack shit about it.
See how the language there sounded a little different? That's because I actually know that despite learning in school that double negatives shouldn't be used, if one is emulating colloquial speech, one would or at least could employ double negatives as emphasis for a positive. Because again, I don't need to have lived in the US for that. Idk where you live or how much you travel, but you can probably do at least NY, Cali and deep south accents on a very stereotypical level. So can I. It's not exactly rocket science. And whilst you live closer to those places, unless you've lived several years in each, you're also mostly drawing on the media.
So I don't know why you keep pretending like your systems are some grand secret. Feels a bit like Americans who yell loudly (in English) abroad to make themselves "easily understood" when literally everyone can speak English. (Yes, I did just use "literally" as emphasis instead of it's literal sense.)
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
The Finnish Supreme Court ruled that I was in the right and that the police limited my freedom of speech illegally when stopping me from filming them when they illegally entered my apartment. In the US, I'd have made millions off that. Here I didn't even get a letter saying I won. Read it off the news.
Are you born rich? Because otherwise that's a fantasy. We are not a meritocracy, no matter how hard we pretend. It doesn't work that way
And I don't even know where to start with the rest of this... I'm on my phone and can't clip you point by point
But you think you'd make it big? Of course you fucking wouldn't. No one does. That's literally impossible. Even last one of our movie and music stars come from money. Every last one of them
Have you ever spoken to homeless people? I have. I make a point of doing it. I've slept alongside them, I've shared meals. Not through media, but through human connection. And they've both been insanely generous and tried to steal from me
Holy projection Batman, you haven't seen what I've seen, not through media, but first-hand.
Have you ever spoken to homeless people?
My job used to be driving them around and my mom's a social worker, so yeah. I have. Believe it or not, there are homeless people in Finland despite us having less of them and us not letting them starve en-masse on the streets, but don't shit yourself that Finns think like that. We got libertarians as well, thanks to all the libertarian BS Murica has pushed. I've got into a fight with a guy because he literally honestly genuinely meant that homelessness is a choice.
You prolly know how untrue that is?
Ah I see you've gone with the same "using 'literally' for emphasis instead of literally literally" tactic.
So there's no rich people in the US? Approximately 7-8.5% of Americans are literally literally millionaires, but "no-one makes it big".
And you stand by that statement, instead of admitting it's grotesque exaggeration?
Is it easier to win big if you get a "small loan of a million dollars"? Ofc it fucking is. Same shit works here. The dipshits who didn't understand jack shit in school but were born with gold spoons up their arses exist here just like in America.
There's much more a roof against becoming rich through labour. That was my original point. Same shit work's with schools. The reason I wasn't allowed to skip a class is because I'm not allowed to make the rich kids parents feel bad for having a kid who isn't as cognitively gifted. Can't be that poor people succeed!
But yeah, I was actually born into the upper-middle class. We're one of the more known families from my town. Very central during early and mid 1900's but then my grandpa died in the 90's and dad drank everything then died himself.
Mom and dad broke up because of it. I ended up having to change schools several times as mom moved around. You know how it's a meme parents want their kids to go to a good school? Well I was literally in one of the best schools in Finland and one of the best students there. Mom didn't give a second thought. Also I'm one of four siblings, so that divided her attention.
I moved away from my mom's at 15. Wbu?
Most of your experiences are still through media, even when your most impactful ones were in-person. I don't think I ever even implied otherwise. Reading comprehension my man. I know US has low literacy but still.
Just like we're mine. And if you think Finland doesn't have depraved drug abusers, I could write another 3 full comments showing how you're wrong, but prolly easier for you to watch this trailer of a documentary Reindeerspotting — Pako Joulumaasta (Escape from Santaland) . And those kids are still very healthy when they're filming. I've known people like that after they've come out of prison. One of my neighbours was a murderer. Then someone stole a half a k of meth from the basement cellar storage I also had a key to. And he knew it. And was methed up.
But even he isn't the most depraved by miles.
Just because our druggies to hang out in the streets, you keep on insisting we don't have any.
You're literally just comparing and comparing, when I keep telling you you can't, because don't know anything about Finland. But I can compare them, because I know about Finland for living here, and I hear about the US because western media. You don't hear about Finland. That's just what the facts are.
This is why I keep saying you don't understand.
What the fuck do you mean you got a job driving homeless people around????
You don't understand how alien a concept that is for us. Do you put them on buses and ship them to other cities? We have a program like that
Do you take them shopping? To some sort of social service? To medical appointments?
And you're like "oh, actually we have some homeless people too, just not as many"
That's the whole damn point! I want us to have less homeless people, so I'm looking at countries that have less homelessness! I didn't even consider a program to give them rides, but I can instantly see how that would be a good thing to have
You're a textbook case of why people laugh at American stupidity.
You literally don't understand empathy and no matter what ridiculous, factually wrong bullshit you say, you just... pretend you didn't. You say things, I prove they're wrong, I show you how much better I understand than you.
How many books do you read a year? Have you ever read a singles Chomsky? Zizek?
I'm guessing not.
Sinä olet se jolta yyttyy pummareusta, jiksi soudut Google temän täkstin ja topaeivöissä tietit mietenkin jiksi siinä nei äytä jälevän orkea.
I took them drinking. Because they're homeless drunks. You simply don't understand a single thing about Finland, yet I have a much better grasp of the US than the average citizen. Hell, I'm certain I'd get more US States right on a map than an average American.
You know, since you're brain damaged with lead almost to the point that the intellecttual divide between us is almost shorter than the divide between you and monkeys.
No, you didn't, because you're an average American, and you're actually 10 times dumber than you think..
I also notice you didn't answer where you were at 911. Prolly because you weren't born. I have more experience of the US than you, lol.
And you keep proving that sentiment right, again and again and again and again.
Who the fuck has said anything about the US being a meritocracy? I haven't said Finland is authoritarian either. I've said it's more authoritarian than it has been. Comparatively.
Just like in comparison to Finland, US is more meritocratic than Finland, despite not being a meritocracy per se.
You have a thing called whole grade acceleration or in plain English; "skipping a grade."
The requirements are academic preparation (testing ahead in all subjects), emotional maturity and motivation. I got 3/3. When other kids were learning their ABC's, I was browsing thick tomes of dictionaries, giggling at the funny (and magical seeming) Latin names for things. I didn't like being put into daycare even before going to school, and I was mature enough, so my mom (a trained social worker) left me alone in the house and came to check on me during lunch. I just sat and read. (Mostly comics, not always something to learn but for fun).
And for motivation? Well I had taught myself how to read. Answer I gave an independence day speech that was meant to be read by a sixth grader (the oldest class in lower basic education).
We don't have skipping grades. If we did, I definitely would've been allowed to.
This is what I mean by you not understanding. You think you do, you want us to be on an equal footing. But we're not.
Mä voin vaihtaa kieltä ja sun pitää ottaa AI käyttöö et pystyt edes ymmärtämää mua. Mut silti luulet jotenkin et mä ymmärrän yhtä vähän sun yhteiskunnasta kun sä mun.
Just not true. The US is in the spotlight, has been since WWII at least, and unfortunately while the audience can see the person in the spotlight, the person in the spotlight can't see the dark audience from the bright lights. This is much like that. You think we're just like a slightly different America. We're not. There are things you don't understand that you don't understand, and I don't know how to make you understand that.
Perhaps Rumsfeld will have better luck;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_unknown_unknowns
I don't know how to say this in a nicer way... You don't understand the society you've never lived under, no one truly does
As far as outcomes and metrics, you live in a world I wished I lived in. I don't think it's perfect, I agree it's full of problems
But you really don't understand. Tens of millions are going to die over the next decade if we don't have radical change.
I'm sorry you fell through the cracks. I really am. It's not right. But you have no idea how much worse it could be
So now you're just pretending you weren't wrong at all.
You have skipping grades as a concept and practice with rules and laws.
We don't.
In the nicest way possible, I think you might have brain damage.
I do understand. Again, I'm very well versed in what it's like in America. You're still pretending as if most of your experiences aren't relayed by types of media. And that I somehow don't have access to this arcane knowledge about the US.
You could just as well be arguing that I just don't speak English because it's not the language I first learned. I haven't lived in an English speaking country or ever even been in one for weeks, let alone years. Yet I'm completely fluent. Hell, the last time I checked, some 10-15 years ago, I had a larger vocabulary than 52% of native speakers.
Yet you childishly keep insisting there's something I don't understand.
"No no, you don't get it. America has expensive drugs, you haven't ever heard of how much we spend on drugs."
"We have homeless people!"
Yes, you also have a military-industrial complex, you're fucking over your veterans, your cops are murderers, there's still tons of institutional racism, sexism, ableism, your leader is an ever-lying failure of a businessman who's going senile and is owned by Putler, two thirds of your population are obese, literacy is like 79%, you have the largest prison population in the world despite not being even close to having the most people, roughly 1% of your adult population is in prison, which too often are for-profit prisons which are the only way America is clinging to any sort of cheap labour blabalablablabla blabla bla i could go on for days. What exactly don't I understand? Your lack of empathy?
Honestly, depending on how old you are, I've could have been exposed to American news more than you, despite living in another country. That is if you're like in your early twenties.
Do you remember where you were during 9/11? You never answered.
It's you who keeps having no idea, despite constantly been proved wrong.
What is "whole grade acceleration" and why do you pretend the US doesn't have it?