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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 95 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Perfect is the enemy of good.

Not even a successful society is perfect. It certainly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. It’s still better than what most of the rest of the world is doing.

[–] zout@fedia.io 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It certainly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.

Nobody said we shouldn't. The point is, we shouldn't look away from the issues in a country just because they are doing better than others in some cases.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It means that when people advocate for improvements, YOU SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY PLAYING CRAB BUCKET.

Let better be better and then sure raise some issues. Your comment seems intentionally obtuse.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It means that when people advocate for improvements, YOU SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY PLAYING CRAB BUCKET.

...your argument is that we literally should not criticize ideas until they're actually implemented and proven to be lacking? How does one establish that something is better without open critique?

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I think it speaks more to who you are as a pwrson that your first reaction is to criticize an idea.

Negativity begets negativity. I choose to look for positivity and hope first, and criticize later.

[–] zout@fedia.io 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're seeing a motivation behind my comment that isn't there, so you really shouldn't call me obtuse. Is Norway doing pretty good? Yes! Could they also do better? Yes! I'm not playing crab bucket, but I'm also not sticking my head in the sand here.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe next time open with the "pretty good" stuff. Before this comment everything cooking was negative which sure looks like crab bucket (not just from you, but also from you) and I'm still leaning toward obtuse by omission tbh.

[–] zout@fedia.io -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I didn't spoon feed my comment for you, mister obtuse.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

I forgive you.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Norway relies on the exploitation of billions in the global south, as all of the western world does.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What does that even mean? For those of us who aren’t in the know like you are, that phrase doesn’t mean anything to us.

And if you’re open to a friendly suggestion, nix the “western world” propaganda; focus on explaining the “exploitation of billions in the global south” part.

Norway doesn't produce cocoa beans. Norway doesn't produce cotton, or bananas, or iron ore, or cobalt, or gold, or most basic raw materials you need to run a society. Neither do Spain, or Germany, or France, or the USA. Instead, these countries focus on the production of high value-added goods and services, which they can do because they are historically highly industrialized, developed, and have high levels of education, infrastructure and concentration of productive capital.

In this manner, Germany imports iron ore from poor countries in the global south at low prices, and exports cars at high prices. In the international market, therefore, one hour of German/French/Norwegian work is exchanged often for tens of hours of work from India, or Congo, or Mexico. This is unequal exchange, and is the pillar of neocolonialism.

Through political, economical and military powers, the western world has ensured that the global south remains underdeveloped. IMF predatory loans and neoliberal policy impositions, support for fascists or monarchists, coups, or outright military invasions are some of the most common tools the west uses to maintain these countries underdeveloped and with cheap labor.