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YouTuber Ms Rachel says LGBTQ+ allyship is important as a Christian: ‘No one is to be excluded’
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Although I appreciate her and her sentiment, this changes nothing that the big Ambrahamic religions stand fundamentally opposed to the existence of LGBTQ+ people. To a point of justifying genocide against them.
The only realistic solution to ensure the equality and safety of LGBTQ+ people (and more) is the elimination of organized religion.
Religion is a cancer, and needs to be eradicated through education that specifically analyzes it and destroys it with logic and reasoning.
Setting aside the navel gazing "um actually if you translate the Greek properly..." nerd theology, the big religions only seem to care when reactionary secular leaders care.
Hostility to homosexuality isn't a product of religion, it's a product of socio-economic in-groups and out-groups. Same with misogyny, ethnic bigotry, and xenophobia. You'll find all the same reactionary tendencies among secular atheists as sectarian dogmatics. And the same progressive attitudes, as well.
Religion is downstream of politics. Always has been
It seems the only ones fundamentally opposed to their very existence are the ones who see in only black and white terms. That either you're good or you're bad. This is mostly evangelists who gain power by tricking people into believing the opposite of deep-seated religious tradition.
This is a problem of con-men abusing established infrastructure, not necessarily organized religion itself. Getting rid of the religion does not get rid of the con-men, just forces them to make a new one (Scientology/Mormon anyone?) or use a different strategy.
Perhaps try and see things in a less black and white way and you might find an actual solution instead of a boogie man you can point to and say "They're causing all our problems! We should burn them at the stake!"
Religion is fundamentally an irrational belief. The acceptance of wild and complex ideas with absolutely zero evidence to back them up.
We see how this translates to conditioning the masses to accept authoritarian rule and propaganda without question from countless far-right movements.
I wasn't insulting the religious themselves, I view them as victims of the manipulation of those in their environment who spread the cancer to them. What I said is entirely a criticism of religion and a desire to see it forever removed from society so that everyone is forced to live in the reality they exist in, rather than the fantasies of folks long dead.
In general, agreed. Anyone that is religious and tolerant or supportive is absolutely an exception to the rule of religion. I have mostly religious friends, Catholic, even, but I make no mistake in knowing that religion is definitively, fundamentally a hostile force to queer people and anyone not like their most in-group. This has been proven time and time again and is so insidiously structured into doctrine.
i don't know if religion is bad so much as zealotry (aware of the irony of my name; but that's a play on critical role and jester) the place i felt most accepted growing up queer was my family church an summer camp. my childhood pastor was one of the first people to write me and both congratulate and comfort me while also apologising for the national church's recent stances (a few years ago). granted it was a new england methodist church so i realize my privilge but still
My response, with respect, is that religion is always ever just a small walk away from fundamentalism and zelotry.
I'm sure you and countless billions have had wonderful experiences within an environment that happened to be religious. However, I would strongly disagree that the presence of religion in that environment was a fundamental requirement for the positive sides of those events to happen.
All benefits one can point to of religion can just as easily be present in secular settings as well.
Billions currently live and have lived their religious lives without falling down this purported slippery slope which takes away from this point.
What secular equivalent is there to Christmas, Easter, Eid, Ramadan, Holi, Diwali etc? Why has no secular tradition been able to produce days of collective joy or reflection in a similar vein?
Except happiness. Which according to the Pew Research Center is more common among the religious, for whatever reason.
This does nothing to take away from my point. If you'd want to argue against my point, you'd need to show a solid barrier between typical moderate religious beliefs and fundamentalism/zealotry.
I attest no such barrier exists outside of simple circumstances in which one hasn't lead the believer to the other... yet.
There are countless holidays and special events that aren't religious and see families and communities coming together.
Some examples in the US because that's where I have best context: 4th of July, The Superbowl, Memorial Day, Thanksgiving, Halloween, literally any other sporting event, New Years, etc.
Not to mention you also don't need a religious context to celebrate holidays that originate from religions such as Christmas, St. Valentine's day, Easter, etc.
This makes sense when you see it in the context in which Pew gathered that data, being in a country (the USA) that prioritizes special treatment towards the religious, most especially Christians.
There's also aspects such as false hope given to the religious, the gaslighting in religion to accept one's shitty circumstances, etc.
Our ancestors had a mind tailored for survival. Religion exploits this.
Virtually all organized religions put heavy emphasis on life after death. This is because religion's main appeal, most especially to those in environments with high death rates, is the promise of eventual safety and peace in eternity.
Problem is, most of those religions immediately become tools of manipulation where you have to follow a very specific set of rules to get to paradise, or spend eternity suffering in Hell like you've never experienced before.
You're correct about Abrahamic religions but ancient polytheistic/pagan religions and current day Eastern and Dharmic religions often do not discuss life after death. Many do not believe there is only one life but instead there are multiple cycles through which a soul can exist. There is a concept of Nirvana/Enlightenment, which one could say is a type of heaven, but hell is essentially reliving life on Earth with progressively more hardship and struggle if you choose to live poorly.
Now Abrahamic religions do have the most followers, partly because monotheism is highly compatible with centralization and authoritarianism. It enforces conformity which makes it very effective at organizing people. Polytheistic or nontheistic religions (often Eastern) need to be much more flexible. Centralization has been a point of contention within even monotheistic religions with the Protestant split from the Catholic church for example.
Religion has more to it then a population control though. It does give people a sense of meaning and there have always been infights to challenge the power of the priestly class who act as gatekeepers to spiritual meaning and purpose.
It's also a tool of control, in that people who are being made to live painful, miserable lives, are told that they can live for eternity in paradise.