You should meet the maths majors who aren't really interested in maths but think a maths degree will allow them to become hedge fund managers or similar

[–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's already a glut of tech workers. The IT job market already sucks

I don't imagine AI is going to make it much worse

[–] OshaqHennessey@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The glut of US tech workers is due to the excessive number of H1B visas being issued. This year, the number was almost the same, but slightly higher than the total number of US tech graduates. Why hire an expensive American new graduate when you can hire someone from India with 3-5 years of experience at 60% market rate instead?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The glut of US tech workers is due to the excessive number of H1B visas being issued.

That's been part of it. But even with the H1B and the outsourcing, there's a ton of technology to be administered, maintained, and repaired. We're a technology economy. The glut of US tech workers is due to induced demand.

Why hire an expensive American new graduate when you can hire someone from India with 3-5 years of experience at 60% market rate instead?

Because you need to be able to communicate your needs fluently and India is in the wrong time zone. You can outsource some of your work some of the time, but follow this logic to its conclusion and you begin to ask why you're even in business in the states. Why not just invest money in India's private sector if you're so convinced their workers can do a better job at a lower price? Why have an American business at all?

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"Make people study"? You're mistaken. No one is making anyone study.

Charge people to study? You bet your ass they'll take as many people as are willing to pay their overpriced fees. Finding a job after? Getting decent pay? That's a you problem as far as they're concerned.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Huh? First 9 years of school is absolutely mandatory where I come from, now 12 I think soon.

Then after 12 years of school you still need a degree for most job listings. That's optional but it's free so you're seen as uneducated if you don't get a degree.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

First 9 years of school is absolutely mandatory where I come from

Attendance is mandatory. Failure is always an option.

Then after 12 years of school you still need a degree for most job listings.

You can find jobs (even good paying jobs) that don't require a degree, but they tend to be labor intensive, health hazardous, and with awful working hours. There's a job I'm always seeing open in Houston for non-college recruits that involves hosing out shipping containers at the port. The job starts around 6pm and you're in a giant rubber hasmat suit dealing with tanker ships full of toxic chemicals. The bosses want you to work 12 hour shifts, you're in close with heavy machinery on a dock, and you're surrounded by carcinogens that you have to meticulously shield and clean yourself of and hope your PPE is keeping you safe on the clock.

$80k+/year. The bigger companies looking for people with experience will pay north of $150k.

You can also work out on a rig for $150k+. You can drive trucks overseas (Americans working in Iraq could earn $200k+/year back during the occupation). If you do have military experience, there's a ton of money working as a "consultant" in Private Defense. No college necessary. But... you know... there's trade offs.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Hum... The US is imploding in general, but there's nothing on the horizon that could collapse the IT job market.