There was plenty of evidence that this was the likely outcome of this offensive months before it even started. Why tf did they go ahead with it anyway?

I remember discussing the Russian advantage on reddit back in January, including them building defensive lines and the general imbalance in equipment, especially artillery and ammo, as well as the fact that Russia had caught up in troop numbers by that point. I had western sources for these numbers.

You wouldn't believe the level of hate and name-calling I received for pointing this out and saying they should negotiate. But apparently I was the one spewing propaganda.

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Negotiate surrender to a serial invader? I agree that Ukrainians are in poor position but allowing Russia to keep taking more land isn't healthy for world stability.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A negotiated settlement is not surrender. This war is not good for world stability clearly, if it stopped that would be good, no?

You're arguing from a position of "this should not be and therefore cannot be". But it clearly can. You're in denial.

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What does settlement look like? Ukraine to surrender it's occupied land? I'm actually curious what you have in mind.

[–] imgprojts@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

It starts with all ruzzians back in ruzzia out of occupied Ukraine...then putin's balls deep fried on a platter and putin has to eat them.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago

I mean at this point it doesn't look like Russia wants to give anything back, but who knows. They need to start with a ceasefire and maybe over time they can figure out the rest.

They should have taken the deal from April last year, where Russia had reportedly agreed to go back to the pre-Feb-22 borders. And before that, they should have implemented Minsk actually. The most important things Russia wanted was for Ukraine to be neutral, and to stop attacking the Donbas.

Ukraine's negotiating position just keeps getting worse.

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