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I mean I'm on the left and even I'm getting tired of hearing how all men are trash, which seems to be the only message about men I hear. Young men are only being courted by the right, and the left doesn't seem to care or even seems proud about it.
Where the hell are you hearing this? Genuinely, i have not encounteted this perspective for years now, so the fact you consider it the only perspective on the left feels crazy
Some feminists are not shy about their misandry: https://youtube.com/shorts/fpEjHCW-lLk
That was on network television, just laughing away tee hee oblivious.
And surely you heard about that man vs bear crap that went viral. It's a thousand cuts not any one thing. There's a whole generation of young guys who are growing up in a world telling them that they are privileged oppressors when in reality they have nothing and no one and didn't do anything.
Frankly, I haven't been hearing it so much as I have been experiencing it.
Well, "where" is still the salient question there.
i've experienced in ni college, community groups, and other leftist spaces. also from my liberall/left-wing girlfriends.
i don't expereince it at my workplace, in my family, or in more conservtaive spaces. never experienced it from a moderate/right-wing girlfriend.2
weird how that works, right?
Im so sorry that happened to you.
Look at society, look as tv ads, look at movies, look at tv shows. Who's always the moron dad? Who's always the asshole villain? Who's always a perfect girl boss putting the guy in his place?
When have you seen a recent female action lead that wasn't just a Marry Sue owning her male counterpart? Who are the GOOD male, masculine role models?
Women objectified in movies? How dare you! Men being objectives and haha funny!
I know it might seem silly to you and petty, but young man are constantly being put down and being told to shut up.
Meanwhile it's still cool / funny to make fun of men being raped in prison. Men even voicing concerns about the fact that they are losing out are being told suck it up, you've had a good run!
I just feel like liberals and modern culture has completely abandoned catering to men. Again that doesn't mean supporting rapists like Trump, but does mean having real, masculine, capable, heroic men that young boys and men can look up to.
So your answer is wholly relegated to TV stetptypyes, or isnthere another factor here?
I love men. Men are awesome <3
And you are awesome! Rock on!
That's because you're relentlessly being propagandized by corporate social media, and falling for exactly what they want you to fall for.
Turn that shit off. You don't need it & you're happier without it.
Yeah, that'll stop the pipeline of young men being funneled to the right. Me pretending it's not happening!
yeah but if you did you could sit around feeling smug and self righteous about how superior you are while telling everyone else who isn't like you how stupid and awful they are. wouldn't that be grand?
Did you just show me the path to real ultimate power?!
probably a lot of genz showed a signicant shift towards right wing , most likely has to do with right wing pundits, like j peterson, joe roegans, TPUSA,,,etc.
Let me remind you that they are simply left to sink or swim in a survival situation where the world seems to want them dead.
My own mind goes to eugenicy places when I realize what world we live on.
I was left on the street for dead at 17.
Radicalized me to the left, not the right, but of course I was that age during occupy wall st.
It's the goddamn right wing influencers, and parents not supporting thier young adult children while they've already had unrestricted internet acess since they were little. "The world wants them dead" the world wants me dead too.
It's hard to understand for me, the boys in my family were always allowed more freedom, more choice, less responsibility. Three generations it was like that. The mother's love their son's, hate their daughters. The father's teach thier son's, and rape thier daughters, and love no one, not even themselves.
Three generations of that in my family. It's so hard to empathize, "the world wants them dead". Better dead than you father's slave, trust. That's why I hit the street.
You are just proving my point, really. We created a hostile world where the fittest, and most entrenched thrive, where compassion is punished, and there is little reason to help others, who then turn out to just be more predators.
The solution: stop depending on the classic system, and build communities. Share crops, sell products as a community, pull each-other up. Nothing else will spite TPTB more.
Good, My intention was to help prove the point.
It's fucked for everyone not born into wealth.
Teach your kids, teach your people, that helping is good, and being kind makes a good person. One must do the right thing, even when no one is looking, especially when no one is looking, without reward. Be radical.
Give more than you receive, never take more than you need. I really like to believe there are more good folks than bad, we need to collaborate together. Theres no choice but to do so or suffer.
HS grade school has largely degenerated to babysitting young children not even teens. r/teacher catches my eye from time to time.
That's kinda my point. The right is the only one courting them. Who are the equivalents on the left and what is their message to young men?
its very easy to do when its based on hate, and blame deflection. also as a way to not admit they have been putting down women for generations. at least in academia, the younger women generation are getting a huge leg up in colleges in various forms for certain fields. not all women though, older than gen-z dont have that advantage.
its pretty intentional that men are left to fend for themselves, in that they need people to do low wage , and men-only jobs like military, dangerous jobs
I've never in my entire life heard a single person say that all men are trash. I think you're either lying or exaggerating, and you haven't either.
Pointing out that some men do horrible things is a common observation. Asking that men stop other men from doing bad things is another thing that could sounds burdensome. I can see how these types of statements might upset you if you're missing the context or the speaker is unclear. But neither of them is equivalent to saying that all men are trash.
Wonder why men are turning away
the irony is so much of this disoc2urse parallels the rape discourse.
'well i haven't been raped so if you got raped it is your fault or your lying' ' well i don't experience misogyny, so therefore nobody hates women ever and you are making it up'
the pushback is always of the form 'why is that that women get raped' it's that 'if you got raped its your fault and maybe you shouldn't wear provocative clothing or drink or go out at night'
just like here it's not 'why are men voting right' it's 'if men are unhappy and vote right they should be even unhappier and be punished'
Here, this was on network television: https://youtube.com/shorts/fpEjHCW-lLk
Then you had the whole man vs bear shit that went viral.
Maybe actually look instead of burying your head in sand and calling people liars. Now go move some goal posts.
Exactly. The bear thing showed that many women think that the average bear is less risky than the average man under certain circumstances. It has nothing to do with all men or all bears…
In other words, it shows that you can ignore the words and play the victim if you like, but it doesn’t stand up to careful scrutiny.
Or maybe it's hyperbolic nonsense with no actual logic applied. I don't see women at zoos diving into bear enclosures when strange men pass by.
Careful scrutiny seems to indicate it's a stupid statement uttered by hysterical idiots.
If you havent heard this you live under a rock.
how do you incentivize against dominating women for sexual gratification? it's hard, especially when they have been indoctrinated since they were around 10-12 years old through major media and online pornographic content.
now it's almost impossible to stop as they become adults and have been given permission from their role models that their behavior is not only acceptable but it's the only way to live.
mark my words, a large percentage of gen-z males will become domestic terrorists because they feel they have been mistreated and abandoned by society.
if you have young daughters, teach them self-defense early and make them aware of the dangers these men pose to their safety when they come of age.
edit: hate the comment all you want, but it still doesn't make it less true.
Y'all worried about the guys, but what about the bears? Women already prefer them, but those mammals also sketch af
Most bears try to avoid you if they can
No, it being stupid and insulting drivel makes it wrong all on it's own. You've either had no positive men in your life or you're a hypocrite, but either way the misandry is clear. You insult all the good fathers, brothers, and sons because you're terrified and in doing so only drive men and women further and further apart as men shut down and avoid women. That's what's happening. Guys that respect boundaries don't approach women, don't offer to help unless explicitly asked, don't speak unless spoken to. And all you're left with is interacting with the guys who don't respect boundaries, and voila CONFIRMATION BIAS HAS ENTERED THE CHAT.
90% of men are invisible. You literally walk by them and don't know they exist. But whatever, keep telling yourself whatever you like while men build your houses, your malls, police your streets, defend your countries, fight your fires, etc.
you strike me as a mentally stable genius.
So if a guy beats up a woman your compliant here is the woman should placate him to make him stop somehow.
See this is exactly what GaMEChld is talking about, with the first mention of men the first thing you thought about was assault. As if this is the norm yeah? An inherent trait of normal people. Men, what do they do? In their free time they watch football and assault women. Smh You need to surround yourself with normal people my friend
... because every.. many, like, every woman I've ever been friends with, which isnt a whole lot compared to the 8 billion people, but yet, every woman I've been friends with has experienced sexual assault at least once.
What I think also needs to be brought up, is many people who go on to assault, were once assaulted themselves as a child. Women talk about this, men really don't. What I mean is, if a young girl gets raped, even if it's secret at frist, she will likely seek support at some point. I don't think men do in the same way, they seem to internalize, from what I've seen.
My step father raped his bio daughter, was raped by his uncle himself at 12.
My uncle, raped his daughter too, also raped as a child by his uncle (maybe the same one).
My Dv relationship, the guy was raped by the mothers boyfriend at 10.
An ex, who was adopted wholly through the system, raped at 12 by his dad, "but it only happened once so I forgive him". This guy is the only one on this list who wouldn't hurt a fly, but he was the type who didn't wash or wipe his bum properly, because it might make you "gay".
Another ex, was raped by a male authority figue in his life,, and I only know from a wild acid trip he got black out drunk for. He wouldn't have told me sober. He was vauge, but clear, with his story. The man sobbed for 4 hours. I was on half the acid he was, and had not drank. He was mean to me sometimes, and didn't respect me, but I still cried with him and held hella empathy with him in that moment.
The year I was going to sign my kid up for scouts, the leader got arrested for molesting multiple boys, I never ended up putting my kid in scouts for this fear. Based on observation, I strongly suspect he has some dark history too.
Is it right this happens? No. Is it frequent enough it could be considered "normal"? Honestly.. not normal, but common.
And men don't get support, they're "not allowed to talk about it", they don't want to talk about it, so they hit the bottle and get involved in what we can define as risky behavior. And they suffer, and some put their suffering on others, and spread this disease further.
My own brother, who as far as I know was never raped, and has never raped, won't attend family gatherings with children about, because we've so much familial history with this kind of thing, he just stays away. Once me and my sister had children, he ghosted.
It's a disease that affects not only the main victim, but all the people around them.
It's a serious thing, and this is what I think needs talking about more. Shift it off women, men rape, men don't rape.. let's talk about male on male violence for a fucking second.
If an adult man, rapes a young boy, how does that move through his life experience? How does that shape who he is? How does it define "power" to these young men? How can we help these kids? How can we stop this?
I think, vulnerability, and talking about it, men sharing there stories so that others can too, bring awareness to it, would be a fucking start. How many men walk around each day with this shit weighing on them?
Every man who has raped me had a story. All I'm fucking saying. It starts somewhere, and as maladaptive as it is, it is a fucked up coping usually for truama in their life. It's holding power over another to make oneself feel "strong".
We don't get to pick our families, and fucked up shit happens to kids, all the damn time. Sexual violence as a whole needs to be adressed. I want to see it end. It causes so much pain for he/she/they alike.
The post is comparing genders political leanings and a comment trying to convince us with this tripe that it falls squarely on women who are argued to be voting on the left here and you’re here saying we’re permitted to talk about the why of it. The permeation of violence that does shape men’s world.
And violent men who don’t want to talk about it….where are the Epstein files….
We’re talking about it. Regardless of your ‘permission’. I do not need your permission. No one here does.
Men are more dangerous to all genders than women. This is statistically a fact.
Let’s be clear: this is not the same as saying women never violate men. Cuz I know that’s another little card all you incels like to reach for whenever this fact is brought up to try to steer it off course. And let me warn you: if you were gonna lean hard on that: you no longer can convince me you give a shit about men or mens mental health if that is how you think this should play.
Placing the ownership on everything else: women, the left, the dog, the cat, everyone but the person who CAN change the situation is being done here.
Stop blaming the left.
Stop blaming women.
Pull up your big boy pants and Own your shit.
The majority of violence coming from men does not mean the majority of men are violent. Treating all men as guilty for the crimes of a few is stupid. That'd be like pointing to Casey Anthony and saying women shouldn't be unsupervised with children.
In what way do you want the average guy to "own his shit?" I don't assault people, none of my friends do, and if I did I'd intervene. But I've got a penis so I guess that makes me a violent oppressor that should be avoided in favor of bears?
So what attracted you to this topic exactly if you're not violent and found all the answers you need from the right to convince me or anyone you're dealing?
Why did you personalize this post specifically to include you so much that you felt compelled to defend yourself here? Why do you care? How are the right teaching you to be accepting of yourself so well that you're getting tripped up on what you think other people are thinking and how you feel about it?
How are you owning your shit if you're joining a post to blame the left?
What efforts in mental health have you taken?
What steps do you take to help your homosexual brothers stay safe?
They are men too.
Attacking left isn't addressing men's problems so if you're legitimately interested in men's health and safety, attacking the left isn't how you convince me you actually care.
Jesus you're a piece of work. Do you actually want me to answer those questions or are you just here to vent your righteous fury at "the patriarchy illuminati?"
I'm here because I'm tired of losing elections because the left is too damned stupid to see basic strategy.
You think your mindless hatred is going to help you at the polls? You are your own worst enemy.
I need not defend myself. I am simply pointing out that this strategy is bad and anyone who is following your lead is tactically stupid. Good luck with that.
It's not my job to manage your emotions, I don't care what you think of what I actually care about.
Your problem is you think me pointing out the left is losing a demographic of voters to poor messaging is attacking the left.
And what answers from the right? What are you even babbling about? When did I say the right had answers?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Calm down incel.
Happily married, but thanks for your contribution.
i'm on the left.
and yet all i hear is how everything is my fault. i get told not to rape. and that my penis makes me guilty of the crime of proto-rape. i've never raped anyone, but i've been raped. weird.
i get told how i should contribute to leftist and community causes. i do that. then i get told i'm problematic because i should give up my position for a woman because i am oppressing women by contributing and taking charge when no one else will. then i quit. then they complain how men won't contribute..... weird
i go to college, i get a job, i do well for myself. i get told that i'm a shitheel loser for not making more money, but then if i want to make more money, i'm a greedy selfish right winger... weird
i hear how men should man up and marry women and have families becaues if they odnt' they are man children forever. then i date and try to find women who want a family. they tell me they dont' want families ebcause they'd rather spend all their money on themseles and travel and careers and children are evil... i dont' date those women anymore then get told i'm a selfish asshole for not dating anymore... weird.
it's almost as if i get endless criticism and harassment and zero positive support from the world. i wonder why i want to check out of it entirely. weird.
Sounds like a lot of outside comparisons you’ve latched onto personalize and abandoned yourself and no longer affirm yourself. There is therapy for this(and some good books out there for it eg: unfuck your brain(they also have a podcast)/the body keeps the score, anything Jay shetty and brene brown I found these quite helpful )
So there are some options. That’s assuming you are willing to get involved in finding solutions for yourself with the problems you are facing.
But jumping into a thread and getting involved only to threat ‘going right’ rather than digging in on this stuff as mental health stuff to address into a working solution….weird.
It’s almost as if people are getting involved in this post to weaponize mens issues/mental health issues and not interested in being part of the solution in addressing these problems … also weird.
What are you babbling about? What percentage of men in your life have assaulted women?